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Yellow Stripes

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Tim Light, Aug 31, 2017.

  1. 45581

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    The first yellow stripe loco I saw and noted as such was 45661 on 14th August 1964 at Burton.

    But on a visit to Willesden on 30th August there were two Jubilees on shed 45676 and 45733 so when the yellow stripe restriction took effect is open to question. Both were withdrawn in September 1964 so might have been dumped.
     
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    The issue of overhead wires is with us today. You'll notice that some main line locos have the steps at the back of the tender covered to prevent people, by chance, climbing up onto the back of the tender. There is also the long iron problem. I recall when Tornado got its fire in a mess over an extended few days on the road, we stopped at Atherstone station for water where an unsuccessful attempt was made to sort out the fire. Ideally a long iron might have helped but because of the wires it couldn't be used and the crew were shovelling out the fire through the cab onto the trackside and dowsing it down with water from the (fire) tender.

    One reason why Clan Line doesn't appear much on the ECML is that there are few locations to pull coal forward. Bring on the Duchess I hear you say!
     
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    Likewise I have seen 5043 replenished with coal from the support coach via the footplate under the wires at Crewe which seemed a complete pain for the support crew. I noticed earlier this year on the GB railtour that BIL left York with the headboard on the top bracket, yet it was transferred to the lower one somewhere on the S&C (I assume at the Appleby stop) so it could be removed to go forward with the train from Carlisle, although the Jubilees ran headboard less north as it obviously couldn't be fitted to them at Carlisle. Lots more planning goes in that we are ever aware of?
     
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    What's causing this? Is it just a build up of condensation on the wires leading to water hitting the loco and arcing out?

    Cocks left on too long, makes wires "damp" as the steam condensates, engine hits wet rails from open cocks, and regulator position is maintained/not adjusted when the cocks are shut, leading to a slip and enough exhaust to bring all the factors in to play?
     
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    I think it must have been condensation on an insulator.
     
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    The lower voltage sections persisted on the Southend lines until at least the 80's . I distinctly remember the 'clunk' when the changeover occurred.
     
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    But surely clan line has one of the shortest bunkers on the mainline ?
     
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    It still holds 7 tons but I agree that's a ton less than, for example, an A4. Moving coal forward is a routine activity with most support crews when it is safe to do so. Now that the GWML has wires up this has become another route with H&S issues.
     
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    I've just been doing some research on loco's with yellow stripes & found this thread. Makes for very interesting reading.

    Can I ask in response to a comment in the thread why was the yellow stripe applied to 72006 Clan Mackenzie an error? Please pardon my ignorance ;)
     
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    Thought that all the Bulleid tenders we're 5 Tonne ( 5 and a half at a push)

    My guess is that the Yellow stripes were put on locos based at/ working turns towards Crewe or on regular turns in that direction, the Clans at Carlisle didnt work these turns as a rule, generally going south via the s&c as far as Bradford if at all but would have thought that as a precautionary measure they should still have had them.

    Still hope that Hengist gets one as she no doubt will be working under the wires.
    The Flash - over on the B1 ? may be enabled by dust dislodged by the exhaust...
     
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    Unless I've misunderstood your question it was because Clans weren't overheight. In fact none of the standards required the warning stripe.
    Ray.
     
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    Correct they didn’t
     
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    It was applied in error, no other Clan had a yellow stripe
     
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    So Clans didn't need a yellow stripe because the didn't meet the height criteria &/or they didn't run south of Crewe anyway???
     
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    Correct - it was only 'overheight' classes e.g Jubilees, Scots, Duchesses that should have carried the stripe. There were other mistakes e.g. 48773 which carried a stripe but shouldn't have as it had been recently fitted with a standard 8F top feed and wasn't actually overheight anymore.
    Ray.
     
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    LMS 4f's also had yellow stripes. My local regular was 44057 - as a schoolboy spotter I would see it wheeze past the end of our garden on most days.
    I dreamed of buying it until one day it was dragged, rods off, in a cavalcade of redundant Saltley locos by a Black Five en-route for scrapping - a very sad day.
     

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