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Windcutter Wagons

Discussion in 'Heritage Rolling Stock' started by Flying Phil, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. Flying Phil

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    We were able to see how the guards and drivers are trained on goods train operation over the weekend as we were allowed to be in the "spare" brakevan during the training runs. The first picture is the rake at Loughborough and second at Swithland, waiting for the service train to come through and the diner train pausing in the loop whilst coffee is being served...



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    Thanks for the pictures Dave. It was a good weekend and we were hauled by 4 different engines and rode in three different brakevans (SR, MR, BR).
     
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    Back to work on #19 and repairs are in hand to the end door. We are also going to remove the buffers at that end as there is a worrying amount of corrosion on the ends of the headstock.[​IMG]
     
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    A start has been made on a repaint of #19 whilst it is still at Rothley. The Box van has also been getting some glossy topcoat. DSCF7079.JPG
     
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    More painting of #19. dcf smaller.jpg
     
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    One buffer is free and the rivets on the other one are being melted out.... DSCF7176s.jpg
     
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    For what it’s worth, “B279719” is one of the more mysterious wagons in the windcutter fleet with no trace of its original identity ever found. Don’t suppose anything came to light this time around, did it?

    All I know is that it was one of several converted c.1969 by Standard Wagon for Soda Ash traffic and hired to ICI Winnington. This involved welding the doors closed and fitting an inner skin. Does this wagon still have the inner skin? (I know at least one has had it removed and all sorts of horrors lurked below!)

    It would have had a different number in the ICI fleet but that is also unknown (the only one we know is “B279722” = 790). It then found its way to Rover (Longbridge) from where it was preserved in 1992. In the Longbridge fleet it was one of 1-6 but which one would require more digging (I do have this info somewhere).

    If anyone has any details (lists etc.) of wagons included in the Soda Ash conversions or subsequently sold by Standard Wagon to Rover, I’d be interested. (We have a list of wagons BR sold directly to Rover in 1987, but I believe these ex-Soda Ash wagons were earlier sales.) So far, no such records have come to light.


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    Thanks for that info pmh. Certainly it does still have the inner skin (or two!) and there has been a build up of debris between the skins - most is now out. There is evidence that it was painted blue but no other identification.
    I did get busy with the angle grinder and the East top door now opens. DSCF7178s.jpg
     
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    The East side door has now been opened, both buffers are free to be removed and more painting has been done on #19. DSCF7201.JPG
     
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    Now that the door has been opened it has highlighted the fact that most of the floor should be replaced.... The end section will need to be removed anyway to allow access for the headstock ends to be replaced. 20191030_135104.jpg
    This also highlights one of the conundrums of preservation - do we keep this wagon in the condition ....albeit well kept, that it arrived in? This is with the inner skin put in by ICI, the welded top flaps and doors. In fact, we are effectively returning the wagon back to its original BR condition as it is one of the few in our collection with the original body, many of our other wagons were rebodied in the 1970's.
    What is more concerning is that I have become a geek who knows a fair bit about 16T mineral wagons!! :eek:
     
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    We have now had a quotation to refurbish our two wheelsets by machining and fitting new tyres.......hmmm I think the wagon #23 will have to be used as a static display and for slow speed shunting only, until we can obtain some better SH wheelsets, with those large journals......
     
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    Would you reveal the amount?
    PM reply if not for public viewing, we might be needing something like that sometime and need an idea as too how much.
     
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    Hi Ploughman
    PM sent
     
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