If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

what should the nrm restore next?

Discussion in 'National Railway Museum' started by seaham luke, Sep 14, 2013.

  1. lil Bear

    lil Bear Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    Messages:
    6,122
    Likes Received:
    1,655
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Railway Technician
    Location:
    8C / 5D / 27C / 71B
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    York inside the building in South Yards near the toilets is it? Next to where 925 was at Rail Fest.
     
  2. andrewtoplis

    andrewtoplis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    1,357
    Likes Received:
    816
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    You were doing so well until you suggested taking perhaps the best looking locomotive in Britain and painting it plain black....
     
  3. martin butler

    martin butler Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2008
    Messages:
    3,440
    Likes Received:
    388
    plain black , no fully lined out, or failing that SECR lined out passinger green.
     
  4. david1984

    david1984 Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2005
    Messages:
    12,910
    Likes Received:
    1,387
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Birmingham
    That would explain it, apart from the loo's there was no public access in there when I went.

    Normally I prefer BR livery as it's easier for that to "blend in" at most site, but in the case of the D, it would have to stay in Chatham livery, asthetically it's one of the prettiest engines around.
     
  5. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Messages:
    26,100
    Likes Received:
    57,414
    Location:
    LBSC 215
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    It was converted thus for working motor trains (i.e. push & pull). Amongst other things, the cylinders were lined down to 9". 82 wasn't the only one; 81 (by then renumbered as 681) was also converted, but with the cylinders only lined down to 12". Subsequently several other Terriers were converted for motor train working with reduced cylinder size (to this day, Stepney still carries her small cylinders, while Fenchurch has the larger than standard 14" ones from Newhaven Harbour days, hence the rather different haulage capacity of the two locos), though no others had the leading wheels swapped as on 681 and 82.

    The two Terriers weren't the only locos on the 'Brighton that had their leading drivers removed. Two of the "Large Radials" (class E4, like the Bluebell's preserved B473) and twenty of the E5 radials were also converted into 2-4-2Ts by the simple measure of removing the front coupling rods; in those cases the wheels weren't swapped for smaller ones. It seems that DE Marsh, ex-Doncaster, didn't think much of front-coupled tank engines for mainline work, and wanted to design something that would place less stress on the track. The loss of adhesion meant they weren't a success though, and all twenty four locos (the two Terriers, two E4s and twenty E5s) were converted back to conventional form fairly quickly. The Terriers lasted longest in that form, where I suppose the loss of adhesion was of more minor consequence on account of only pulling single coaches on the motor trains.

    Tom
     
  6. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Messages:
    26,100
    Likes Received:
    57,414
    Location:
    LBSC 215
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Would "blend in" as she is quite well down here!

    I'm always disappointed at York that the Wainwright D is so tucked away and difficult to see clearly. I don't know why the NRM don't just bow down to the inevitabilty that the most elegant loco in the collection, in the most fabulous livery, should automatically take pride of place on the turntable where everyone can admire the wonder that was Edwardian Kent... ;-)

    Tom
     
  7. Anthony Coulls

    Anthony Coulls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,803
    Likes Received:
    622
    Tucked away Tom? When did you last visit? :)
     
  8. Dan Hill

    Dan Hill Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,575
    Likes Received:
    545
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Brick Machine Operator
    Location:
    Haywards Heath
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Hvae had the same problem with Boxhill. Been to York 4 times in the last year and a bit and like you said there was no public access each time so far although the first time I missed her because I didn't know where she was.
     
  9. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Messages:
    26,100
    Likes Received:
    57,414
    Location:
    LBSC 215
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Gosh - probably about four years ago (don't get up north very often now with young children in tow!). I seem to remember she was tucked down in the walkway that connected to the Station Hall, along with the Pullman coach.

    Has she been moved since? (I sort of assume so by the question!)

    Blurry photo attached...

    Tom

    DSC_0498.jpg
     
  10. Anthony Coulls

    Anthony Coulls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,803
    Likes Received:
    622
    Aha. Tucked away no more! When we created the Art Gallery, 737 and Topaz got moved to the Great Hall and are now on the road off the turntable where Mallard used to be - been there about 2-3 years now; so you come out of the subway, into the Great Hall to be met with the most glorious sight of Wainwright's finest. Apologies, I assumed that you'd been more recently.
     
    Jamessquared likes this.
  11. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Messages:
    26,100
    Likes Received:
    57,414
    Location:
    LBSC 215
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer

    No apology required - I need to get out more! Maybe next year when Father-in-law comes over from NZ.

    Now - speaking of Boxhill (and Waddon - see other thread) - now the "Great Gathering" has proved the concept, what chance of a "Terrier 150" event in 2022? ;-) Afterall, 28 tons of Terrier from Canada is a lot less shipping than 300 tons of A4 from Canada and the USA!

    Tom
     
  12. Anthony Coulls

    Anthony Coulls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,803
    Likes Received:
    622
    a lot of people have mentioned a Terrierfest...
     
    cav1975, gwalkeriow and Jamessquared like this.
  13. 2392

    2392 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2010
    Messages:
    1,902
    Likes Received:
    1,148
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Felling on Tyne
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    OK here's a pair for you. North Eastern M1 4-4-0 1621, which hasn't steamed since withdrawal and preservation by the LNER back in 1946 or so. And Great Northern Large Atlantic C1 4-4-2 251. OK 251 was steamed fleetingly in the fifties at the expense of the late Alan Peglar. Admittedly there were steaming problems, as the current machine is a "composite" machine put together at around the same time as 1621 when the pair were preserved. Basically it has a superheated boiler with the header and elements removed, which caused the steaming problems. So I'd complete the restoration by fitting a pair of new replacement "non-superheater" tubeplates front and back of boiler. What's more of the surviving GNR machines it's the only one not to have been steamed during the current preservation era [i.e since the rise of the majority of most preserved lines].
     
  14. Dan Hill

    Dan Hill Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,575
    Likes Received:
    545
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Brick Machine Operator
    Location:
    Haywards Heath
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Plus Waddon wouldn't need cosmetic restoration as it was only done a few years ago.
     
  15. oddsocks

    oddsocks Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2009
    Messages:
    1,813
    Likes Received:
    289
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired / Dodging a Coffin for as long as I can.
    Location:
    Half a mile east of Snells Nook Halt. (1883-1931)
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Coincidence or what? I finally make it to the NRM yesterday, walk into the great hall and am totally blown away by...................... IMG_1611a.jpg
     
  16. LincsWolds60163

    LincsWolds60163 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2013
    Messages:
    26
    Likes Received:
    3
    Gender:
    Male
    It'd be nice to see LNWR No. 790 "Hardwicke" in working order, somehow it just doesn't seem right on static display.
     
  17. Spamcan81

    Spamcan81 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2007
    Messages:
    35,121
    Likes Received:
    20,772
    Occupation:
    Training moles
    Location:
    The back of beyond
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Some if us were lucky enough to see her working back in the 70s. A second bite at the cherry would be nice.
     
  18. Anthony Coulls

    Anthony Coulls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,803
    Likes Received:
    622
    Well folks...you know what to do...write the cheque...

    Saying what "should" the NRM restore next is simply wishful thinking in the current climate where we have NO money available internally for anything like this I'm afraid. Private funding is necessary, and up front I'm sorry to say. No "we'd like to do this and have £27.50 and will raise the rest over 23 years" any more...
     
    MarkinDurham likes this.
  19. Neil_Scott

    Neil_Scott Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2008
    Messages:
    3,155
    Likes Received:
    302
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Railway servant
    Location:
    Worcester
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Presumably there is some kind of limit on this though?
     
  20. Anthony Coulls

    Anthony Coulls Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,803
    Likes Received:
    622
    Try us...there's a world of difference between hypothetically on a forum and in the reality of talking to a funder.
     
    MarkinDurham likes this.

Share This Page