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What Ifs, and Locos that never were.

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Jimc, Feb 27, 2015.

  1. Jimc

    Jimc Well-Known Member

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    I knocked these up after it was suggested on another forum...

    A 2-6-0 based on the 1500 pannier tank with the same Std 10 boiler - and not much for the pony truck to do...

    hawksworth mogul-col..jpg

    And basically the same chassis, but with a Std 4 boiler which would make a bit more sense.

    hawksworth mogul-std2-col.jpg

    Really though a mixed traffic locomotive with 5ft 8 drivers would be more useful by then, but that's a more complex hack.
    The tender is a cut down version of the Hawksworth 4,000 gallon type.
     
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    Wow! A modern looking small GW mogul to fit on just about any turntable! With original boiler, not at all bad looking. Pity the sort of branches which could use such a design tended never to be (a) likely to justify new locos or (b) equipped with turntables.

    I wonder ..... As the original 15xx's were a Red restriction, would losing the panniers/bunker and adding the pony truck make enough difference to axle load to give such a beastie the kind of route availability to make it useful? The No.4 boiler may well make it better suited to longer journeys, but at what kind of weight penalty?
     
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    These are a couple I did in the 4-4-0 County thread, where they are really hideously OT... think the topic moved to what other alternatives were there for Didcot's Barry wreck 4200/5205.

    A conversion of 4200s to tender engines with Standard 1 boilers was envisaged at one stage. Here's a drawing of my interpretation of what it might have looked like.
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    A conversion of the 42/52 to a 2-6-0 retaining the Standard 4 boiler would be almost exactly a 4300 with smaller wheels.
    View attachment 34140
     
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    Very great job Jimc:) Thanks for sharing it! It must be fun to create your own designed locomotive.

    kind regards

    Knut
     
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    Thankyou, but of course strictly speaking I'm just assembling:)
    All the real design work was done by the skilled and talented people in the Swindon drawing office 60-100 years ago. And 2D profiles are an order of magnitude easier than designing everything to fit together in 3 dimensions.

    Its something that puzzles me about 3d printed models. What I've glanced at seems very much geared around one piece body shells with all the fittings. I do wonder if it would be better to 3D print major kit parts, and assemble a model from 3d printed components, etched, turned brass, and whatever materials are suited for an individual components. I have it in mind I should draw up a set of 3d printed Swindon standard boilers. With a suite of boilers all sorts of R2R conversions are possible, especially if matched with a software driven cutter to cut out sheet parts from plastic or metal sheet. Just need to solve rivets:)
     
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    Been mucking around with photoshop and creating more nonsense. This time it’s Ivatt 8Fs with Caprotti valve gear and double chimneys.
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    Really nice work!
    They look like they would have been jolly useful engines too.
     
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    Apologies if this has been mentioned previously but...

    What if one of the unrestored 9F's could be rebuilt as per Mr.Riddles original idea as a 2-8-2...???

    Not sure why this idea was never followed up and I'm sure someone will tell me why:
    A) It wasn't done originally &
    B) Why it can't be done now.

    Don't get me wrong, I really like the 9F's as they are but still, it's a nice what if....
     
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    I think it would require throwing most/all of the 9F away.
    I believe the 'never-ran' 8MT design used a Britannia boiler and larger wheels than a 9F.

    RedgateModels' version pictured.
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    Love that top image, looks slightly Flying Piggy, Caprroti Fivey, and a hint of 46526y I like though!
     
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    Thanks for the info, I didn't realise there was more Britannia in the 2-8-2 than 9F.

    Trouble is, this is now sounding like a new build project...

    I doubt it will ever happen but again, it's a nice what if...
     
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    ..... but with Caprotti valve gear, naturally! :Bag:
     
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    Cheers Sheff, I have joined up!

    Wanted to set myself a challenge of creating the rumoured Crosti/Caprotti Standard 5, using only images from Wikimedia Commons, on one cup of tea.

    Results are in the video....


    or here if you don't fancy moving imagery...
    Caprosti 5MT.jpg
     
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    For all of those now already familiar with the Facebook group, I'm one of the two admins behind it. We've got tons of great whifs!
     
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    If not a full size new build a miniature model could (maybe) be an interesting project for somebody?:)
     
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    Searched on Insta but no joy?


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    Search for Sudrian Histories it's well worth a look.
     
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    Thanks for the responses, I have found a previous thread right here on Nat Pres from about 9 years ago regarding the Standard 2-8-2 which answers a lot of questions and includes a picture of an excellent model of this never was design.

    IMG_3185_web.jpg
    I'm sure I recall seeing pictures of a live steam version in either 3.5 or 5 in gauge in one of the railway mags some years ago as well, perhaps someone has some photos of this model as I can't seem to find anything on line of it.
     
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