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West Somerset Railway General Discussion

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by gwr4090, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. Sidmouth

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    Everyone is entitled to an opinion and fair play to those in support of the plc who have the courage to post here. I would have far more sympathy if something approaching a coherent argument were presented .
     
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    I’ve yet to see a clear and concise argument FOR the plc yet Martin, all I see is point scoring that makes PMQ’s on a Wednesday seem rather tame.
     
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    Quite. Change is required.
     
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    One way or another, or perhaps inconclusively, tomorrow's WSSRT AGM will determine whether the WSR plc board can rely on the WSSRT shareholding for at least another 12 months.

    I've got a long day in work tomorrow, but I would be very grateful if a full report/reports of the WSSRT AGM are posted on here before I get home from work!
     
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    Knowing this thread, by the time you get back you'll be struggling to find the report in among the 10 new pages of posts since you last looked!
     
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    Cheers Alex, you’ve just said what I’ve thought!
     
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    Of course, it would never occur to you or any of your group that anything that you disagree with or don't want to believe could possibly be the truth.
     
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    it is noticeable that nearly all those who post in support of the Plc come from a fairly small group close to the WSR, but many of those who are expressing concern at the Plc's actions or lack of them come from outside the WSR, many from other heritage railways.
     
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    I think that most of us understand what a democracy is, there are others who were never made prefect/milk monitor at school and rather like being in a position of power.
     
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    Or those who have a keen interest in old buses - that have always seemed to me to be peculiar type of individual.
     
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    I doubt that they can be more peculiar than some of the railway enthusiasts that I met over the forty years I was involved in railway preservation and operation!
     
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    The main problem with some of the postings especially by those who support the PLC, Is that its based on personal animosity, against people the PLC, most likely fear, and who some of the supporters of the same PLC have a grudge against, and not on facts, which of course suits those in positions of power, scared that they might lose it, or have to account for their various actions, or lack of action to the membership.
     
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    The main problem with Frank C's statement (on WSR.org today) is that it fails to explain why the work was not carried out two years ago when funding became available. It also does not give a projected finish date, critical to the operation (COVID permitting) in March 2021. Surely this is not top secret for board members only! Communication of this sort of information would reduce the speculation that fills so many pages of this forum.
     
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    I point I have made several times.

    That particular article says nothing not already known but actually raises more questions than answers.

    For example, fortnightly meetings with SCC and professionals since May.

    Is this May 2018?

    I guess not, but surely it should have been, as the issue has been known of for that long, and as we know, funds set aside by SCC for it.

    If major problems arose along the way which led to the postponement of the works, why on earth be so secretive about it?
     
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    The immediate question that springs to mind is "why?". Why wasn't the work carried out two years ago? Why are we not being told why the work was not carried out two years ago? Why is it confidential information? Why are we not supposed to be asking these questions? To which the only reply can be, "someone cocked up and doesn't want to admit it".
     
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    Well, they did have a legitimate distraction: the line's money issues. But the SDRT fiasco remains an inexcusable blot, and not just because of the horrible treatment of an inoffensive fellow heritage group: to put one second of their time and attention into that, while the crossing ball was being dropped, was a colossal purely self-inflicted management failure.

    Noel
     
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    Quote taken from the regular update on PLC Board meetings, dated March 2018.

    My bold.

    By my maths and according to the Plc's own web-site, the preparatory work actually started in 2016.
     
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    One wonders why that statement appeared now? There is no ongoing feed of information from the Board, there have been no obvious signs of anyone poking and prodding around the crossing equipment recently, no recent announcement that the work is about to commence and no real questions asking what's happening - except for some comments on here.
    Surely they are not looking to NP for PR advice?
     
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    Well the AGM started over an hour ago and no signs of white smoke rising over West Somerset;).

    No surprise there, as there aren’t any engines in steam:(.
     
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    From Facebook "Summary of WSSRT AGM – 14th November 2020

    The board of Trustees of the WSSRT is pleased to update members and the wider WSR community on the results of the AGM of 14th November which was held virtually via Zoom due to Covid-19 restrictions.

    You will be aware that an attempt was made by a small group of members to try and overwhelm the existing board of trustees. This was done by quietly signing up additional new members from June this year, many from outside the WSR community, with the specific intent of appointing 14 new trustees to force a vote on merging with the WSRA, and thereby using the shares owned in each charity to try and take over control of the PLC

    At the AGM, the WSSRT membership voted to reject these new trustees by a significant margin. The total votes cast for them were 1,291 (70.54%) against and 508 (27.5%) votes in favour, with 31 (1.69%) abstentions.

    As a result, none of the proposed new trustees (originally 14, later 10) were elected and there was resounding support for the existing board of trustees, including election of the three new recently co-opted trustees and the membership voted by a significant margin for the WSSRT to remain as an independent charity.
    The board thanks members for achieving an 80% turnout on voting, and wishes to thank all of the wider WSR community who supported the charity to resist this takeover bid. The level of support was quite overwhelming and it is re-assuring that this event has served to demonstrate that most of the railway is, indeed, a united community.

    Steve Williams, acting chair of the WSSRT, commented: ‘This result is an overwhelming rejection of the tactics of those who sought to take over the Trust . The members concerned could have brought their plan to the WSSRT trustees in an open, collaborative and consultative way, rather than covertly proposing these additional trustees at the very last moment on deadline day for the AGM. We are also very sad that their confrontational approach, threats of legal action and reporting the Trust to the police led to the resignation of Chris Austin and David Baker from the resulting stress. This was a clear abuse of the Trust’s democratic processes and of the way in which volunteers are expected to behave. Those involved should now look at themselves in the mirror and hang their heads in shame’.

    Most encouragingly, the membership voted by a margin in excess of 75% to approve the following proposals:

    1 – Adoption of the revised Objects and Powers to align them with the requirements of key funding bodies and to allow us to offer a wider range of support to the PLC and the railway.

    2 - Adopt the alterations to Clause 60 dissolution clauses for the purpose of Museum Accreditation to make the Trust more acceptable to potential funders in future.

    3 - Adoption of the new Charity Name ‘West Somerset Railway Heritage Trust’ to properly reflect its future role, with responsibilities for heritage, history and museum management.

    The board of Trustees wishes to record a special note of thanks to Don Fraser, our membership secretary, for his remarkable handling of such a massive increase in membership, caused by the recent takeover attempt. The one positive that has come out of all this activity was a big increase in revenues, with a tripling of the membership numbers from just over 80 to nearly 250 members in the space of just four months.

    Looking ahead, the board of Trustees will now look forward to a new chapter in the evolution of the Trust. With a new name and additional flexibility around the Objects and Powers, the Trust can move ahead with more new initiatives and support future ideas to expand on the role of the Trust and to attract more donations in support of our work.

    We will explore how the Trust can expand its role on the railway generally and specifically examine how it can develop its leading role in museums management and heritage issues across the WSR. We hope that the new members who have joined us will choose to stay with us on this journey and will come to appreciate the positive work of the Trust in helping the railway.

    Finally, the Trust will continue to work closely with the PLC and specifically support the development of the Bailey proposals towards achieving ‘one railway’. Whilst the feeling amongst members today is that the Trust wishes to remain an independent charity, the Trust looks forward to contributing to the proposed ‘evolutionary’ path of the WSR re-structuring project.

    The Bailey project has the stated objective of creating a new parent charity structure that will be attractive to the wider community and it plans to invite existing charities to consider if they wish to become a part of it next year. The goal is to have any proposals ready in time for the 2021 AGM’s and of course the WSSRT board of trustees will bring any of these future proposals to the membership for their consideration at next year’s AGM."

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4772776239431683&id=179809878728365

    I am not a member of any of the organisations connected or based on the Wsr I am posting to hopefully help the question above

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