Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by sgthompson, Jul 11, 2021.
LNER 60103 was at the helm of the 1st Waverley of 2021 and is seen at Helwith Bridge .
Video to follow later tonight or tomorrow as there's something going on later, just can't remember what it was
FS is now 43 minutes down at Settle Junction plus I believe it stopped at Kirkby Stephen for 15 minutes.
Yes it did as I was there and apparently for a blow up at Armathwaite.
LNER A3 class No. 60103 'Flying Scitsman' approaching Lazonby & Kirkoswald Station with the 'Waverley' rail tour to Carlisle with Mick Rawling driving and
Phil Akester on the shovel
Heading the late running 'Waverley' No. 60103 'Flying Scotsman' approaches Ribblehead Station with David Blair driving, Fraser Birrell on the shovel and
Roly Parker guard
That top pic is rather nice.
'The Waverley' hauled by LNER A3 No.60103 'Flying Scotsman', seen passing Huddleston Grange, Bell Busk and Settle Junction - 11th July 2021.
Video Available Here
Again? That's a shame. Is it time maybe for a boiler washout?
A smokebox vacuum test might be in order, the vacuum loss across the spark arrestor might also be worth looking at. The boiler will be well looked after, not going into TDS levels and all that here and Mr Riley and his team have had a great deal of experience successfully running engines. The heart of the engine is not functioning quite as it should, either that or there is some seriously poor fuel going around.
Wise words. What we know about any event is that if it happens once then it may just be one of those things but twice (or more) bears investigation. Given that that the firemen know what they are doing it can only be any of the things you suggest.
Once again, people who weren’t there not working on the footplate and not involved in the locos maintenance and care, come up with “expert”opinion. She looked and sounded in good form on the outward run but obviously something wasn’t right on the return. Those actually involved will know or subsequently discover what the problem is. Yes it’s a bit of a puzzler that it’s happened twice in relatively quick succession but she had a successful tour of Scotland in between the two events.
Do we honestly think that Mr Riley, who was entrusted to rebuild Scotsman and then continue with its custodianship, is now falling down on routine maintenance? It's no wonder he left this forum many moons ago and still has these sorts of comments from the uninformed "experts".
There's nothing wrong with that on a discussion forum is there? If nobody were able to voice an opinion about anything then large chunks of the forum would be rendered useless and we would lose the benefit of comments by knowledgeable people like @LMS2968, to name just one.
But I agree, as you say, it's a bit of a puzzler. Hopefully, those who need to talk will do so and share with others across the engineering network. It matters quite a lot that such issues are discussed across those who can learn from the experience of others. I mention, in passing, as an unrelated and separate example of a wider point the whole business of the water treatment used in locomotives and what happens if a supplier might choose to change the composition of the mix without reference to the customer.
60103 passing the former Cumwhinton station with the return Waverley, 11.07.21.
Whilst the ECML and S&C incidents would seem to be the same problem, it's entirely possible the causes were different. Only those on the footplate and the maintenance crew are in a position to know. The loco's performance has been a bit mercurial of late but the climb of Sapperton, the Scottish tour and yesterday's northbound run would suggest there is nothing inherently wrong with the loco. I'm not involved with the loco so I'm not going to gossip and spread rumour as to the nature of the problem(s). I'll leave the investigations and any announcements to the professionals.
Flying Scotsman seen passing Arcow Quarry at Helwith Bridge and crawling into Kirkby Stephen Station then departing after an unscheduled stop, nice to see a Scotsman flying the flag.
The over dosing of chemicals would not make a scrap of difference to a loco steaming. A loco would steam just as well using water straight out of the tap, as using fully treated water. What would make a difference with treated water is that it causes foaming on top of the boiler water.If a loco goes too long without the boiler water being changed, which of course happens at a wash out, foaming occurs, which caused priming .Blow down valves help with this ,changing the boiler water slowly.
You just linked the ability of a loco to steam with the use of chemicals. I didn't.
What part of the line "as an unrelated and separate example of a wider point" did you not understand? My wider point was that one of the most important things that heritage steam operators benefit from is when a particular set of circumstances leads to an outcome from which everyone benefits and in some cases learns. What little bit I do know is that it can be massively helpful for the greater good of all if 'learning' by professionals is shared with other professionals.
I wouldn't suggest for one moment that this forum is the vehicle for that as has just been demonstrated, going off on a sidetrack doesn't help one jot.
Discussion is all well and good but the trouble with postulating theories is that others pick up on it and repeat them as "fact".
Just stop talking
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