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Waverley 2014

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by RalphW, Jul 17, 2014.

  1. RalphW

    RalphW Part of the furniture Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    I understand that this Sunday, the steam haulage will be from Hellifield to Carlisle only, with the loco coming from Carnforth, so as 46115 is at York then it's ruled out.
     
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    26D_M Well-Known Member

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    Presume either 45699 or 60009 will do the honours
     
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    Tickets from RTC that arrived earlier this week advised it is 46115 doing the honours, no mention of it only joining at Hellifield, but confirmed that it will be diesel hauled on the return.
     
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    Confirmed that the steam comes on at Hellifield but not sure what loco is coming from Carnforth .
     
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    RalphW Part of the furniture Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    Probably sent out before the blanket ban in the York area.
     
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    Hrm, printed before the ban presumably but not posted, they only arrived yesterday, so likely sent Monday or Tuesday after the weekend where 2 specials had already been stopped. I'm hoping they'll transfer my booking to another date as 1/4 of the mileage behind steam doesn't seem like good value - espically when its likely to be assisted over the long dag. We'll see tomorrow!
     
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    Footage of 48151 at Giggleswick with support coach , Hellifield station and finally Langcliffe with double assistance from two class 37s at the rear !

     
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    Plenty of power in this vid, good stuff Stephen
     
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    Waverley 48151 1a.jpg

    LMS 8F Class 2-8-0 No. 48151 works its way over Batty Moss viaduct with today's 'Waverley' rail tour
     
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    Nice video but it really would have been made a lot easier for the Cl 37s if they hadn't needed to push that steam locomotive around.
     
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    Had a trip to Carlisle today, the 8F did very little work was more of a steam heat DVT today with the 2 tractors thrashing away on the back all the way.
    A couple of pictures here:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/bantam61668/
     
  13. 26D_M

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    Without extending the debate in diesel assistance, the suggestion of using a Deltic on the sse as an attraction in its own right might work for the Waverley too if a diesel has to be used. Or another rare heritage type like 1015 or D345.
     
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    I don't doubt a different kind of traveller would be more than interested if a class 40/52/55 was used to replace the steam loco. Thing is WCRC doesn't own any so would I presume have to sub lease therefore eating in to the profits of such trains.....?
     
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    Isn't the Waverley an RTC job? While they take advantage of the wcrc sse loco at York it probably doesn't preclude other suppliers. Suppose it depends whether such a diesel would counter balance any adverse passenger reaction to assisted steam or 47/57.
     
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    I would not presume to comment for WCRC, but this particular chestnut keeps coming up. In accounting (and indeed real) terms, their own locos don't come free. In theory, and setting aside availability issues etc, WCRC should be indifferent as to the ownership of the loco, and as number of their competitors seem to have significant volunteer input, on the face of it third party loco hires could be financially positive for WCRC (if indeed WCRC as part of its services has to procure a loco for its customer). I think the calculation for WCRC however would be that having invested x00,000 (of their own money) in an overhaul, they will want as many income earning opportunities as they can get to amortise that cost, and they might as well direct the hire fee towards their own locos rather than someone else's, if they are in a position to do so. Which they may not be, as their role may simply to provide their services as an operator of a train (and the Waverley is an RYTC promoted trip according to UK Steam - on the face of it, WCRC operates many trains with non-WCRC motive power).
    It would be interesting to know though who (if anyone other than the end-user) takes what risks. Does for instance a fire ban (and a contract may have to define whether a fire ban is something that only NR can declare) mean that WCRC has then to provide a diesel, and it is then up to the promoter to decide whether to go ahead on that basis? In which case, they are presumably going to reach for the most convenient one which is almost certainly going to be a WCRC 37 or 47, as by definition a fire ban is likely to be last minute.
     
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    A prestige heritage diesel could form part of the advertising so that in the event of steam failure or ban customers would know what to expect and make their choice in booking accordingly. It may be a fairer proposition for customers in the long run.
    As as been said 55002 is based at York as a matter of course.
     
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    The loco from Carlisle last Sunday is preserved and hired in.....
     
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    Looks like the Waverley this Sunday ( 2nd Aug ) is steam from Hellifield again as there is a path from Carnforth in the morning and one for the return pm .
     
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    Probably an 8F job again then.
     

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