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Under restoration/Never steamed in preservation

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  1. JFlambo

    JFlambo New Member

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    Is there a list anywhere for this?

    Galatea got me thinking... :)

    If there isn't a list/thread already dedicated to this, feel free to have an estimate. I'll go through the big four designs at least and find out when I have a spare few hours...
     
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    Ivatt Cl 2MT 46447 is under restoration at The East Somerset Railway, Cranmore. Some initial work had been undertaken by The Ivatt Trust, the original owners, on the frames and wheel sets. They had also collected many of the missing components but not all.
     
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    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

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    84030/78059 at the Bluebell is under active construction /restoration and hasn't previously run in preservation.

    80100 is stored and certain smaller components have been acquired / refurbished pending a start on full restoration.

    Tom
     
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    The three 72XX tanks spring to mind.
     
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    When I checked sometime ago, there were 144 surviving standard gauge GWR locomotives (not including SRM93).
    Of these:
    100 have steamed in preservation
    10 have been cosmetically restored for exhibition
    4 have been dismantled for conversion or use in new builds
    18 are under restoration
    12 remain unrestored

    The 18 under restoration are:
    3814 3862 4110 4150 4253 4270 5532 5538 5539 5967
    6634 6984 6989 7027 7200 7202 7229 9629
    The 12 remaining unrestored are:
    2 2859 2873 2874 3845 3855 4121 4979 5227 5668
    5952 6686

    There is inevitably room for debate about which category some engines fall into.

    David
     
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    "10 have been cosmetically restored for exhibition"

    As money gets harder to find, I believe that some owners will decide they'll never see their loco fully restored. As a result some may sadly be sold as scrap so the owners recover some of their original outlay. Many others though may be cosmetically restored so that future generations will see what a particular class looked like. Sidings on preserved lines might look more attractive to visiting "normal" then when they see a loco in gleaming paintwork, even if it's fibreglass, rather than rusting metal.
     
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    144, thats impressive and not too many to restroe now[​IMG]





    I'd say 7202 is close to changing catergory...
     
  8. JFlambo

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    When I was having a look through the big four's classes last night, I couldn't believe how many wikipedia pages said "the (insert society name here) is planning a new build of this locomotive class". There must have been about 20.

    I also noticed just how few LNER types survived. Some GWR classes had ten locomotives built, and I was surprised when some pages stated "...and two of these have survived in preservation" whereas many of the most popular LNER classes, where there were hundreds of examples, have disappeared. Awful! I knew the order of survivors by numbers in order was probably the GWR, SR, LMS, then the LNER - but I was shocked when I learnt of the sheer extent.

    I also discovered that many of the locomotives that are awaiting restoration are classes that we have many examples of already, which makes sense. Although this obviously isn't the case for the 72xx tanks, which is a rare exception.
     
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    that's not fully the case, the 72xx is a variant of the 42xx/5205 classes and that I think is the reason those classes don't figure at Didcot...7202 was the best 42/52/72 available and illustrates the whole family. (I'd like to see a 42 there though for completeness...one day perhaps.
     
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    No mention of BR Standards noted.
     
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    The 9f is probably my favourite loco...

    Out of the 12 classes I think (hope I'm not wrong) 4 haven't survived. But I'm pretty sure there are plans to 'new build' at least three of them.
     
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    According to a quick count up at: http://www.worcs.com/railway/preserved-steam.htm, the totals are:
    GWR & constituents: 147
    LMS & constituents: 101
    SR & constituents: 87
    LNER & constituents: 46 (+3 WD "J94"s that weren't)

    BR standards: 45 (+3 WD austerities).
     
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    There are new build projects for 2mt tank at the Bluebell, 3mt tank at the SVR and Clan pacific, which I think leaves just the 3mt 2-6-0 tender engine unrepresented, assuming all three new builds materialise.

    Tom
     
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    I think/hope all three will, along with all those other sensible new builds that have already cut metal.
     
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    Good effort mate! :)

    I was counting them without the constituents. In which case;

    GWR: 118 (+4 Narrow Gauge)
    LMS: 53
    SR: 43
    LNER: 13

    So you're still right about there being more LMS than SR. I am shocked! Perhaps I thought it was the other way round because I know a lot of Merchant Navy/SR Battle of Britain classes were preserved and that those would add up.

    I wish 'http://www.uklocos.com/preservedrailwaystocklist' had a 'last steamed date' to make my original thread question easier. I'm on the case now.
     
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    From memory there are 30 Bulleid pacifics preserved (MN and WC/BB) and a Q1 so only, by those numbers, 12 Maunsell designs - I think that means 4 * U; 1 * N; 1 * LN; 3 * Schools; 2 * S15 (plus 2 Urie variants); 1 * Q. Not a great number, but basically covers most of his major designs.

    The main reason for so few LNER designs is of course that so few ended up at Barry.

    With GWR designs, you are not quite comparing apples with apples if you look at raw numbers but only consider post 1923 locos; since the pre-1923 GWR dominated the post-1923 GWR in a way that the pre-1923 LSWR, LBSC, SECR, Midland, LNWR, L&YR, GNR, GER, NER etc etc didn't dominate the SR, LMS or LNER.

    Tom
     
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    I'm rather of the opinion that it might do the movement good if some more were broken for spares. Its most notable with the GWR of course - all those untouched GW locos have standard boilers that could be used to speed overhauls on other locos, and brutally, how many of them in practical terms constitute much more than a set of frames, a pair of cylinder castings, the wheel centres and a boiler? However if some of the Bulleids were broken for spares and their boilers were made repaired and made available for lease: might make things easier for the Bluebell? Its a shame there's no money in steam locomotives, a business leasing out restored boilers might be very useful. Part ex your old boiler for a newly overhauled one? If I were a billionaire who wanted to become a millionaire maybe I'd get in that business...
     
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    In that case take away 17 from my total to make 101 (+4 narrow gauge still). Pretty good even then!
     
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    Just curious, but which are the 4 Narrow Gauge? I can think of the 3 VOR locos, which could be described as GWR built, then you have the two WLLR locos, and the two ex Corris locos, but they would all come into the constituent category. What am I missing?

    Steve B
     
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    There is some justice in that -- but on the other hand someone on another thread was lamenting the sacrifice of one of the Glamorgan locomotives as a parts donor for (I think) the 4709 project. And some locos that were taken from Barry purely for cannibalising have subsequently been restored to main line working, most recently Galatea.
     

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