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The Lune Rivers Trust: 26/09/20

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by Davo, Sep 5, 2020.

  1. Britfoamer

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    When I raised my hand in acknowledgement to him, he simply gave a two handed up cup and looked skyward!
    Who sends BIL out on 12 coaches, early wet rail, twisty hilly route and no tail gunner in autumn?
    I bet someone got their private parts kicked at 10A!
     
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    That really shouldn’t have been a problem for a MN. The line isn’t as steep as Honiton and another member of the same class has no trouble in lifting 500 tons of Pullmans, 600 tons with a diesel on the back, from a standing start at Shalford up the 1 in 96 of Gomshall Bank.
     
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    Tom extra sand is usually carried in support coaches but it is not always possible to top up the sanders on the road without getting a block on the adjacent road and possibly delaying other trains. As it happens sand was not required after Hellifield as the railhead conditions improved dramatically as the day warmed up.

    Peter
     
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    It really should be no problem for a Bulleid with 12 on, even with a cold fire, if driven well. And given the restart of the train near Starricks it doesn't look like a crew problem. Far more likely to be railhead. Don't forget that the Rail Treatment Train probably doesn't prioritise that route for cleaning.

    Given that BIL or something similar should be on the CME on 10/10, a tailgunner definitely will not go down well on the WCML but I suspect that this is a route that gets greater priority and by the time that a steam loco gets on it we will be at midday, not first thing in the morning ...and definitely not first train as was probably the case on the Lune River!!

    Chalk and cheese.
     
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    Do we have any idea why 45562's participation in this tour was cancelled at such short notice? It seemed to provide a cost-effective way of getting the loco back home after the end of the SSE season, but now presumably a LE move will be required at some stage.
     
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    99% sure the railhead down from me in the cutting will have had frost on them as the road and fields certainly did so that probably won’t have helped .
     
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    I gather that the frost was indeed an issue. At least Carnforth know the potential for a problem at particular times of the year.
     
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    It was the second up train on the LNW that morning but even so that point has to be right. It looks as though actually there was a cocktail of problems all day--- twelve minutes dropped in ten miles between Skipton and Hellifield on the way back with no traffic in front, for example.

    My impression is that leaf fall is not really a factor yet, but might well be on a rainy windy day going up Wilpshire in two weeks time. WCR might have a loco better suited to that particular task in those conditions which was not available for the Lune Rivers.

    One good thing from Saturday is that BIL managed the water capacity range of over 100 miles both ways. That's impressive, not quite Tornado territory but might open up some opportunities which are not there at 70-80 miles.
     
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    I wonder whether if BIL was gauged round the coast SG would have done the Lune Rivers, likewise Lizzie is available at Carnforth.

    Pleased to see this thread has moved on from the rather dodgy territory of blaming driver, Fireman and suggesting that there was something wrong with the stock before it left Carnforth.
     
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    Brilliant selection of photos and videos above, just sat down and watched them all. Having got home from our holiday and re-watched my video the terrible audio due to the strong wind spoils it for me, so I have had another go using some old audio from 34027 & 34046...

     
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    Saturday morning was very cold - the first time this autumn I have had to scrape ice off the car windscreen.

    The sun had barely risen by the time BIL set off from Carnforth, so the frost will have lingered.

    Andrew N
     
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    Frost on track is ten times worse than leaves. Remarkable that they got on the move again.
     
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    It also seemed to be incredibly localised, for instance we live about 400m from my in-laws as the crow flies, with coincidentally the Furness line in the hinterland, Saturday AM, they had a frost and we didn't.
     
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    Have you never heard of draincocks!! Wonderful de-icing mechanism. All ex-LMS engines have this built in with an auto-detecting system (often faulty)! :D
     
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    Why remarkable? it only took patience and some skilful driving.
     
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    English lesson coming up...

    Something is remarkable because it deserves comment - i.e. it is noteworthy. I'm sure it did take patience and some skilful driving but to just assume it was ' another day in the life of a driver' takes for granted something that I don't - hence the remark.

    Had I said 'unbelievable' then that might have been a different matter! :)
     
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    Not so ,Frost or ice melts immediately ,when the weight of a loco wheel ,some several tons , goes on it , its not like a car .A good wet rail is good for adhesion ,a greasy rail is a different proposition .A foggy day when the mist just hangs about and dosent go away, or a drying rail are about the worst .
    A lot of Industrial engines have rail /wheel washers ,the name is not like it sounds, its not for washing mud etc of the rail ,the pipe is only about one eighth of a inch in diameter and by the time it runs out the end its just a trickle. Its for aiding adhesion on tricky rail conditions. I know of one system where there was a steep grade on a very tight curve ,the driver would have his rail washer running on the tight side of the curve and sand on the other side. Rolling stock runs freer on a wet rail ,there's les friction between wheel and rail . Any one who has done fly shunting with wagons would tell you to be more careful on a rainy day.
     
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    Sarcasm about an English lesson is a wonderful put down, thank you very much.
    To me and I suspect others it sounded very much as though you were surprised that the driver was capable of recovering the situation, a slur on his ability.
     
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    Well I'm sorry if my words came over as meaning something that they didn't. I honestly thought that if I was going to have a 'go' at anything on the operational side of steam charters then it was usually far more direct than that. :)
     
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