Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by Davo, Sep 5, 2020.
Not long home - efforts from this morning. Sunny, if not cold
Davo, there was no late running TPE from Scarborough - the 17.34 left on time with the Lune Rivers special behind it. The block sections on the Scarborough line are such that we were checked at Seamer while the train ahead cleared Weaverthorpe and then, as usual, we were severely checked at Weaverthorpe while the TPE cleared the long section to Malton.
Your assertion that the sanders were not working is not true either. They were working fine but only contain a finite quantity of sand and when that runs out.......
Quite a few comments on here about the Bulleid slipping and not just on the early morning stretch across to Hellifield. Combine that with the reported delay at Scarborough because of a problem with a coach and it makes you wonder whether that was a brake problem and it was with the train all day.
The last time I had BIL we suffered from a faulty coach with a brake issue. A load of 12 including a temperamental coach could easily explain why this trip ran so late.
I've asked it before. How rigorous is the examination of coaches prior to a trip? Once it was batteries and no lights after dark. Now it seems to be braking systems.
Al the brake issue developed en route and first manifested itself at York. Hard to find a fault on a depot that has not yet occurred.
I am sure WCR will be looking at what happened and we may get to know. Certainly made for an "interesting" day out! We should say a "well done" for the fortitude of the passengers, I presume a good time was had by all despite the difficulties. Also well done to WCR, loco crews and support for actually getting the thing there and back
Out of curiosity (no criticism implied) - is sand something you would carry in a support coach to top up at the intermediate stop? I've never seen it done but my experience observing such things is rather limited.
As I understand, on a Merchant Navy, if the sand boxes are full when you leave, you have about 15 minutes of sand available, so it isn't an unlimited resource.
So it was a similar situation to my trip with BIL But in the same way that with steam locomotives you would always adopt a 'maintain to minimise failure' approach rather than a 'fix it when it goes wrong' approach, then I assume that goes for coaches. But West Coast only has a half a dozen or so locos to worry about - each with a multitude of maintenance foci, of course - whereas the coaching fleet is massive and in excess of 50 vehicles?
I guess it illustrates that the unsung heroes are those who spend their lives keeping an elderly set of rolling stock on the rails when one minor problem with just one vehicle can scupper everything else.
Sands are very temperamental on a steam loco', it all has to be dried completely so it runs out the sand boxes. Its also best to riddle it as well to remove any pebbles ,which also will bock the pipe. Just because there is steam coming out of the bottom of the pipe doesn't mean they are working ,maybe blocked. Another thing is a driver putting the sands on and forgetting to turn them off. Most industrial loco's have gravity sands (as well as ex GWR loco's ) pull a lever and it just runs out, I've seen many a time a small sand castle under a loco after its come to a stand still. Platelayers weren't to keen on a driver using the sands when leaving sidings ,the sand would block point work and they would be called out to scrape the point slides. Passenger train drivers who lost time and couldn't think of a reason would put on the lost time form ,, Sands not Working ,,this could not be proved or disproved ,damp sand in the pipe could easily have dried out by the time someone checked it out.
During the time I spent with Ian Riley's support crew there were always a couple of bags of material for the sand boxes in the support coach, boxes were checked as part of the routine servicing before and during any tour. Not sure if it's still used but in those days the material looked like shot blast grit supplied in sealed 20kg bags.
35018 going vey well towards Giggleswick summit
Thanks Ralph. Was just curious - obviously you can fill up before going off shed at the beginning of the day, but I was curious about replenishing during a break for servicing during the day. Obviously one concern from doing so would be ensuring any supplies were dry, not necessarily something you could ensure if taking from even a sealed bag on a damp and drizzly day. On shed you would have some means of drying.
After witnessing the Merchant stall and restart at Starricks full credit must go to the crew to get a heavy train moving again
The Tin Bath Nov 2016 saw both locos have their sand boxes refilled at Sheffield. As @RalphW said the “sand” was in bags. I spoke with Ian Riley who confirmed that they carried sand in the support coach. However, the rail conditions were so poor that en route arrangements were made to bring additional supplies to Sheffield by road.
Some glorious photos and videos above, I was certainly at the wrong end of the line! Photos from York yesterday...
A beautiful shot and location with the autumn colours starting to show!
35018 near Long Preston
The errant carriage is still in Scarborough, anyway. Taken en-route to scratching the North Bay Railway for steam.
If BIL went to school at Hogwarts I think I know what house he was in - Slithering!
Getting away from Clapham and again from Hellifield.
Driver Cubitt's hanging his head thinking "I'm glad that bit's over with!"
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