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The Dalesman 2019

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by iancawthorne, Nov 16, 2018.

  1. 30567

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    Any whispers about the loco for tomorrow's run?
     
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    Most likely 8F.
     
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    8F working over the newly restored Capernwray viaduct in the drizzle this morning. I had just got the camera set up and was thinking about sheltering under the nearby canal bridge when I heard the loco coming 15 minutes early. _DSC8738.jpg
     
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    Load 13 made 48151 bark at Greengate. Video to follow later.
     
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    Footage of 48151 at Craghill farm and near Birkett Common on the return at Greengate.

     
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    Plenty atmosphere Steve,Russ Abott would have been proud of you, lol:p
     
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    Can’t beat a bit of Russ Abbot :)
     
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    48151 at Craghill Farm crossing and near Wharton

     
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    Any chance of Lizzie next week, surely the Carforth lads fancy taking her over Shap ? Cant see a Greyrigg stop on times, so would that rule out the 8F ?
     
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    The Dalesman (Eastern Route) 09 July 2019 – 48151 hauling 12+POB

    If June was a quiet month for steam on the S&C then July promises to be a very noisy one with repeat itineraries of the CME, Dalesman, Fellsman and Waverley all planned to run on this scenic and challenging main line. The problem with the point at the eastern end of the DGL at Hellifield continues and the loop remains inaccessible from the east. The usual practice where the Leeds – Carlisle service passes us whilst we wait in the DGL at Hellifield has had to be abandoned. A slight change to our times allows the service train to overtake us at Skipton, leaving us free to use the platform line at Hellifield.

    So over to Skipton, the day was dull and grey with drizzle in the air and a poor forecast. A ten minute walk from the town centre car park (£5.50) and I was on the station around 20 minutes before the train was due. Our train, headed by 37.669 and tailed by a 47, drew in to platform 4. I took my seat in the first coach (K) – the second coach was L, then J, H, G . . . The stock, minus a coach, had been used for Sunday’s Waverley and the “extra” coach was returned out of sequence. The letters could not be reversed as coach L was a half brake with only half the number of seats. We ran forward and stopped in what is designated the Down Shipley Slow. (This is a loop on the down main, a continuation of the line in platform 4. As we were beyond the signal at the western end of the platform 4 this meant that the platform was available for use by Skipton to Bradford services). We were waiting for the Leeds-Carlisle to pass, it arrived in Skipton 8L and left 17L (rumoured issue with train). Once clear, the 37 grumbled and rumbled us to Hellifield where we stopped in the platform line at 12.15 (25L). 48151 and support were waiting in the DGL. 37.669 was detached ran forward then back via the west end of the DGL and into the Dn siding. 48151 was now free to run forward and attach to front – job done! I don’t know where the 47 went.

    The clouds were hanging low but it was still dry as (13L) Mick Kelly got us underway, Martyn Soames was firing. It was soon apparent that Mick meant business as we accelerated rapidly; I thought (incorrectly) that the 47 had stayed on the back. We were up to 36.5 at Long Preston (1¼ miles) and by 2 miles we were touching 49 and approaching our permitted maximum; it was clear that with 13 coaches we were aiming for maximum speed at the start of the climb. We thundered across Settle Jn and, with plenty of whistle, blasted through Settle Station (44 and had dropped only a few seconds). Speed was now falling more quickly; we entered Stainforth Tunnel at just over 30, down to 29 across Sheriff Brow Viaduct and, just beyond, fell to a minimum of 28. The 8F was barking, the exhaust hanging in the cutting and mingling with the grey damp air. Now the 8F was fighting back, up to 29 at Helwith Bridge (14½L) and with some respite (about a third of a mile of level track) where speed reached 35.5 before Crag Hill Farm. It had started to drizzle, speed was back down to 30 at Horton in R (16L), falling further to 29 then, on the short easing (1/200r), increased to 32. The weather brightened but speed fell back further and held at 27/8 as we slogged up the final part of the climb, then a rally to a shade over 30 as we passed through Ribblehead (18¾L). We crossed over Batty Moss and passed Blea Moor SB at 27 (17¾L) and we entered Blea Moor Tunnel at 29. Settle Jn SB to Blea Moor SB took 25m 48s and Settle Jn SB to Blea Moor Tunnel S, 27m 34s.

    We made our way along the side of the valley but views were limited by the low cloud. By Garsdale we were 19L and we dropped a few more seconds before topping Ais Gill. Despite our best efforts we were 16¼L as we passed Ormside; the stop at Appleby for water (and ice cream) was abandoned. As we swept through Appleby our 16L became only 1L, this improved to 2¼E at Langwathby (53) and we remained almost 1E through Lazonby (47). We hovered either side of RT before getting a clear run into pl3 at Carlisle ensuring a RT arrival. A RT arrival behind an 8F with 13 on after leaving Hellifield 13L had seemed improbable but with time saved from the Appleby stop (slowing, 15 min stop, restarting) we did it; a testament to the crew and a strong engine. I wandered the short distance to the front, Mick Kelly had already “left the office”, Martyn Soames remained on the footplate, face blackened by the coal dust; in the dim light only his broad, gleaming white smile was visible – shades of the “Cheshire Cat”, better make that a Yorkshire Cat..

    So off to the Woodrow for lunch, then off for a stroll around the centre. The weather was still dull and, from time to time, there were spots of rain in the air. Time for some forward planning, on the return journey I would be w-a-a-a-y back in the 13th coach so even if we stopped at Appleby it would mean a long trek through the train to the platform (and ice cream). Nothing for it, down to the shop and a toffee caramel cone (£1.60) and very nice it was. I was still a bit early but I walked slowly back to the station where the 8F, having been serviced and turned was waiting with the stock in A road. After a few minutes it set off south and then reversed the train into platform 3; it occupied the full length of the platform and I was at the very back (about 0.15 miles behind the loco).

    Gentle rain was falling as David Blair got us underway (½L); Chris Holmes was firing. We picked way our way out of Carlisle and the 8F slowly accelerated its train; just over 2 miles and under the M6 (23 – understandably slow). 48151 could be heard clearly (even 13 coaches back) as we climbed the first section of 1/132r. We passed Cumwhinton at 25 and onto a short level before the next 4 miles of 1/132r. Just past the start of this section of the climb we passed Howe & Co SB (35.6 & 2½L); the climb took its toll we topped the section at 30.6. Now down the 1/132f past Low House Xng (43.2 but 3¾L), a max of 53 as we dropped down across Drybeck Viaduct and after the short climb 50.4 through Armathwaite. There was a good run up the 1/220r to the summit beyond Baron Wood No1 Tunnel where we held 50 at the top; it was raining again. Through Lazonby (2½L) but then we dropped some time on the climb up to Langwathby (42.5 & 3L), then pulled some time back on the easier grades to Culgaith SB (49 & 1½L). We passed Kirkby Thore (45.5 & 2L) but some more good running saw us pass Long Marton at 53 and only 1¼L; we remained 1¼L when we stopped at Appleby. This was a creditable run given the load and the weather, 48m 50s against an allowance of 48m.

    Now for the fun bit (not that the other bits hadn’t been). We left Appleby 2½E and set about gaining some speed, we crossed Ormside Viaduct at 52.2 with a max, a couple of hundred yards beyond the southern end, of 52.6. The 1/100r soon bit back and we were down to 50 as we passed Ormside, still battling, we entered Helm Tunnel at 41.7 and emerged at 38.3. There is a further 1.5 miles of 1/100r and we were down to 32 before we reached Griseburn Viaduct (where the gradient eases to 1/166r). Across the viaduct at 32.8 and the 8F was finding the easier grades more to her liking; we accelerated towards Crosby Garrett (37.9 & 2E) and speed had risen to 44 before Smardale Viaduct (where the 1/100r starts again). Speed soon fell away as we slogged towards Kirkby Stephen (29 and still ¾E). On the slight easing speed improved to 31.7 but now for the hard miles towards Birkett Tunnel, in at 25 and out at 24. The easing to 1/330r was welcomed with an acceleration up to 33 at Mallerstang (1L) and a max of 37.1 before Sycamore Tree Farm. Now for the final 3 miles of 1/100r, what had the little engine left in her boiler? Speed held very well, Angerholme (32.1), under the road bridge (30.9) with a minimum of 30.4 before the summit board (34.8 & 2½L). Start to stop the climb from Appleby to Ais Gill Summit Board had taken 32m 5s and from passing MP277¼, 30m 53s.

    The run “home” allows little scope for a 50mph loco to pull back time and we dropped a few minutes; we were 7L as we passed Blea Moor SB where a stone train was waiting in the UGL. A slow run towards Long Preston meant that we stopped in Hellifield UGL (10½L). Shortly afterwards, a Leeds-Carlisle train ran through the station and after that the stone train ran eastbound through the adjacent platform line; we were now free to shunt. The 8F and support headed off to Carnforth, diesels were attached front and rear and 21L we headed to Skipton. A quick check at Skipton revealed the lead loco to be 47.746 with 37.669 on the back. I had a ten minute walk back to the car and was home shortly before 9pm where Mrs W was watching TV and enjoying a glass of wine.

    Another very enjoyable day out, with good coal and skilful crews the 8F showed how well suited she is to heavy loads on the S&C. My thanks to all who planned and operated the trip and to those few who took the chance to venture out with their cameras on a very dull day – much appreciated and worth the effort.
     
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    Apologies if this has already been mentioned, but the number of trains seems to have been cut back since the first message was posted in this thread. There are no longer any Monday trains shown on the WCRC website, nor any in October. https://westcoastrailways.co.uk/thedalesman/dalesman-steam-experience.cfm

    Presumably one of the dates originally scheduled was Monday 22nd July, when both UK Steam and the Steam Beano list a train.
     
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    This year as far as I can see there was one Dalesman from York scheduled for 22nd, and two in October but all have been cancelled for some time.
     
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    I had it in diary that there was one Monday Dalesman in July and 2 in August. Also 2 at the beginning of October
    Now all disappeared off wcrc Dalesman list
     
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    There are four Christmas Dalesmans with Flying Scotsman, three from Manchester and one from Liverpool, listed on West Coasts Spirit of the Lakes page
     
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    8F again tomorrow?
     
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    Most likely.
     
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    48151 near Docker Viaduct .

     
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    Awesome stuff! Old 'little legs' is certainly sounding in good form there!
     

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