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The contribution of Photographers to Preservation

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by Sidmouth, Oct 11, 2010.

  1. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Part of the furniture Staff Member Moderator

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    I'm not sure exactly what you have against photographers but such generalisations are rather unbecoming .
     
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    Re: Tornado

    I apologise if he's joking, and I've missed it. I am new here, so I'm afraid I may not pick up on everyone's brand of humour straight away. :(

    With respect Sidmouth, that's probably down to my earlier comment. I took issue with the idea that lineside photographers have any sway in the painting of Tornado's liveries, or that they particularly contributed to the building of the locomotive in question. Everyone has their place in preservation, and no doubt there are decent photographers out there who are a credit to their profession, but given the context in which 61624's comment was said, and the "ladder incident" a few months back...

    I am cynical about lineside photographer's contributions to locomotive groups and preserved railways, but am happy to be proven wrong. All said, photographic charters on preserved railways have contributed great funds over the years, mind. Two sides to every story and all that.
     
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    I'm with you Martin. There is only us in this 'hobby' of ours no them.
    I fully appreciate your efforts in going out and photographing the workings of the inside of the soon to be lost Shirley Box. You and your photter community are recording parts of railway history that would otherwise be forgotten.
    And Spamcan81's picture of 5043 in full cry past Henley box on the last Shakespeare of the season now adorns my wall as a poster and a memory that would otherwise fade with time.
     
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    Sidmouth Part of the furniture Staff Member Moderator

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    The charters I have run have contributed something in the region of £75k into railway preservation in the last 13 years and i'm not one of the most prolific of organisers . The money I raise goes to preservation not to fund me or my hobby

    Over the last decade there have been some notable repaints funded and done by the photographers , notably Butler Henderson , Sir Lamiel, 61994, 46229, 45593, 1363, 32678 41708

    Whether you like them or not Charters as a vehicle allow the unloved cameraman to give something back and to get some of the best images in a safe environment . Everybody wins
     
  5. S.A.C. Martin

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    Re: Tornado

    With respect, neither of those comments are mine! (Unless Sidmouth or 61624 are named Martin by surname, or first name, too?)

    As I said previously, two sides to every story.
     
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    Re: Tornado

    Not trying to divert too much from the point, but virtually all of the locos you mention above were repainted, granted with photogrophers money, into either the livery the finished steaming in (Butler Henderson as 62660 in BR Black, 46229 in BR green, 45593 in BR green, 1363 in BR green, 41708 in BR black) or the livery they carry to this day (30777 in BR green, 61994 in BR black, 32678 in BR black) well over ten years ago!

    Incidentally, do I not recall that one of the conditions of 61994s sale from the Lindsay estate to John Cameron was that she was to be restrored to LNER livery? Never seemed to happen...
     
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    Re: Tornado

    Sorry for any confusion. I was referring to Sidmouth. Whose proper name is Martin.
     
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    Very commendable, and I'm not knocking, but £75K extra revenue spread over 13 years is a drop in the ocean : just look at the annual turnover of some of the larger preserved railways.
     
  9. S.A.C. Martin

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    Re: Tornado

    No problem. One of the hazards of having a fairly common last/first name! :)
     
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    Re: Tornado

    Who you calling common??!! :)
     
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    Re: Tornado

    If the cap fits.. :whistle:
     
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    Re: Tornado

    A boy at my school called Smith used to say his name was "popular not common".

    Martin (sorry, I mean Richard).
     
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    Re: Tornado

    I think the reality is that there are photographers and photographers and, yes, you all get tarred with the same brush. Those actively involved generally know who the supportive photographers are but they also know that there are a vast number who make little or no contribution to the hobby in general (and, now, with digital,they don't even line Kodak's pockets!)
    That's life, though. Our hobby is essentially a free one unless you make it otherwise.
     
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    Yes I quite agree with those comments. Many lineside photters are not just photters, some are active members of loco owning groups, others work for PWAY, others contribute money towards loco restorations, etc etc. Personally my Dad and I contributed both money and elbow grease into the repaint of the E4 into BR lined black and we have both contributed individually around £250-£300+ sponsoring various loco parts on the Brighton Atlantic Project. For sure there are some bad apples out there but that exists in all forms of life and it is a great shame that some have the "them & us" attitude when at the end of the day we're all in this great hobby together.
     
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    No more overrated than those who post such inane remarks on the internet. I could name a number of photographers who sweat blood for the preservation movement and many more who are most generous with their financial support. Just as one example, when 34081 broke some valve/piston rings down on the Bluebell, the entire cost of the repair was covered by an appeal to the photographers on our charter list. Not bad for an "overrated" bunch.
     
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    As requested this topic has been started to seperate the debate from the Tornado topic and the posts made there have been moved here - So the topic is the contribution of photographers to the preservation movment (financial and otherwise) - Discuss.
     
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    Martin is but one organiser, there are several more. Add up their total contribution to the heritage movement and it's a tidy sum. On many occasions a railway has only been able to book a visiting loco on the back of guaranteed charter income to fund the move. As one example the Bristol Harbour Railway has had some very nice visitors only because photographers have funded the various moves.
     
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    Another example was the first visit of 41312 to the Bluebell. The photters was asked to cough up money for the transportation costs, we did and got an excellent charter in return.
     
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    A railway we supply DVDs to have made over £15K PROFIT in the past 2 years from the figures we have.

    I'm not going to divulge more information due to confidentially. A lot of photographers aren't the same and quite a lot of people do actually contribute in some way or form, I suppose it's all down to what people can afford in these difficult times.
     

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