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'The Capital Christmas Express'. 23rd November

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  1. free2grice

    free2grice Well-Known Member Friend

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    'The Capital Christmas Express' on 23rd November from Weymouth to London hauled by ?.
    Outward timings thanks to RTT. <BJ>
    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U54639/2013/11/23/advanced
     
  2. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Definitely not Tangmere and that's been known for a long time. 70000 would be the best guess and the most suitable loco
     
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    There are 4 threads I could make this comment on - next Saturday (23rd) - 4 mainline steam trips, this week, none. 3 or 4 every Saturday through to Christmas from now. Sure, all have different start points but at present 1 still needs a loco - and that is assuming no problems with any other locos! Could a little spreading around of trains and dates not have potentially assisted both the market and availability of locos?

    Steven
     
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    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Sadly there is nobody looking at pressure points like this as the market is a competitive one. So we get what we get.
     
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    Present timings for the 1Z94 return. <BJ>

    WATERLOO DEP 17:48
    NINEELMSJ PASS 17:53
    QNSTWNRDB PASS 17:55
    CLAPHAMJN PASS 17:58
    WIMBLEDON PASS 18:03
    NEWMALDEN PASS 18:06
    SURBITON PASS 18:09
    HMPTNCTJN PASS 18:10
    WOKING PASS 18:21
    WOKING JN PASS 18:22
    BROOKWDLE PASS 18:28
    BROOKWOOD PASS 18:29
    PIRBGHTJN PASS 18:33
    FARNBORO PASS 18:38
    FLEET 18:45 19:00
    WINCHFLD PASS 19:06
    BASINSTOK PASS 19:16
    WORTINGJN PASS 19:23
    WINCHESTR PASS 19:40
    SHAWFORDJ PASS 19:44
    EASTLEIGH 19:52 19:55
    ST DENYS PASS 20:02
    NORTHAMJN PASS 20:05
    STHAMPTON 20:08 20:11
    REDBRIDGE PASS 20:17
    BROCKNHST PASS 20:29
    BOURNEMTH 20:48 20:51
    BRANKSOME PASS 20:58
    POOLE 21:04 21:07
    WAREHAM PASS 21:19
    WOOL PASS 21:26
    MORETON PASS 21:32
    DORCHSTRS PASS 21:41
    DORCHSTRJ PASS 21:43
    WEYMOUTH ARR 21:52
     
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    5Z93 out/5Z94 return ECS movements in the capital. <BJ>

    WATERLOO 12:18
    NINEELMSJ PASS 12:23
    QNSTWNRDB PASS 12:25
    WLONDONJN PASS 12:26
    LATCHMERE PASS 12:37
    KENSGTN O 12:46 12:48
    NTHPOLEJN PASS 12:54
    MITREBDGJ PASS 12:55
    WILSDN SW PASS 12:59
    ACTONWLSJ PASS 13:02
    ACTON ML PASS 13:06
    ACTONWEST PASS 13:14
    W EALING PASS 13:18
    STHALLEJN PASS 13:23
    SOUTHALL 13:24 13:34
    STHALLOCO 13:44

    STHALLOCO 15:55
    SOUTHALL 16:05 16:16
    STHALLEJN PASS 16:17
    W EALING PASS 16:21
    ACTONWEST PASS 16:25
    ACTON ML PASS 16:26
    ACTONWLSJ PASS 16:29
    ACTONCNLW PASS 16:31
    WILSDNNO7 16:35 16:45
    WILSDNWLJ PASS 16:53
    MITREBDGJ PASS 16:57
    NTHPOLEJN PASS 16:58
    KENSGTN O 17:02 17:04
    LATCHMERE PASS 17:13
    WLONDONJN PASS 17:18
    QNSTWNRDB PASS 17:21
    NINEELMSJ PASS 17:23
    WATERLOO 17:30
     
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    5Z96 Weymouth to Swanage on the Saturday night.

    WEYMTH JS 22:34
    WEYMOUTH 22:38 22:41
    DORCHSTRJ PASS 22:49
    DORCHSTRS PASS 22:50
    MORETON PASS 22:59
    WOOL PASS 23:06
    WAREHAM PASS 23:14
    POOLE SDG 23:30 23:54
    WAREHAM 00:04 00:06
    WORGRETJN 00:08 00:11
    MOTALA GF 00:24 00:29
    SWANAGE 00:55

    Hope this helps. Thanks to various posters. <BJ>
     
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    Seems like a heck of a long way without a water stop! Has someone found a second water carrier?
     
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    Is the 15mins at fleet long enough? It looks tight but with slick work a splash and dash should be possible
     
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    Intriguing 15 minute stop at Fleet though. Would normally keep going a couple of miles to Winchfield for a water stop. The station at Fleet is a building site at present but you should still be able to park a tender truck down at the 'country' end. (Sorry didn't see the above reply before posting)
     
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    how so? there are 4 working locos to use at southall to cover the south, (70000, 70013, Braunton and a Black 5) and the northern/midlands ones are covered by '09 and perm anything from the tyseley stable.

    Don't see the problem.
     
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    Depends if support crews are available? This appears to be more a problem with Locomotive Services Limited locos. The Black 5 is the most likely since it it is usually Tangmere's support crew when it is down South.
     
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    The support crew can't wait for Tangers to come back, they were hopeful of a December return when I spoke to them at Victoria last weekend.
     
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    So whats the news on ole "slippy and smokey", its been away for a while.
     
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    Statement of position as reported by UK Steam - and it is usually bang up to date. This particular train has "TBA" for loco. With mainline locos, especially at this time of year, there is no assurance that they are actually currently available (same is true for pretty much any steam loco). Scheduled winter work or unplanned work may be in progress.

    The other factor I didn't mention but which may actually be more of a constraint is coaching stock. Rivera for the DBS trip, a Southall set for this one, VT's own for the Elge and presumably a Carnforth set for Tynesider but again, that is all stock that needs to have heating and lighting working and which is in use so can't be on winter maintenance.

    My point was merely to note that this weekend devoid of mainline steam action and next weekend - and the net few weeks - are not. Sure, as we get nearer Christmas, we have Christmas Fairs and other occasions which set the date but I would have said next weekend is actually a bit soon for Christmas trains and not really much more seasonal than this weekend!

    Steven
     
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    Clearly the sales and marketing and business models of the Steam TOC's suggest otherwise.
     
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    Her return has been delayed due to parts unknown being manufactured also a number of other "minor" repairs have been attended to at the same time.
     
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    Or, given RTC's comment on loading for the Tynesider, perhaps not.......

    In fact, one thing you do have to say is that the 4 trains have a reasonable spread of starting points and probably rather better than some dates (4 London/South East starts on 7th December, for example).

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    I suppose it depends on whether people are booking these for the "Christmas" factor or whether they're booking for the "steam" factor? I would imagine if you're in Weymouth this is just about the only trip of the year which starts from your neck of the woods (plenty come to you but not many the other way) so there's a novelty factor in that.
     
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    The other factor I didn't mention but which may actually be more of a constraint is coaching stock. Rivera for the DBS trip,

    Steven[/quote]

    Are you sure about that? My understanding was that Steam Dreams still have the SRPS set on hire until the end of this year.
     
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