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Swanage Railway General Discussion

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by Rumpole, Oct 10, 2012.

  1. Swanage452

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    I live in Swanage and I look down on the railway whilst eating my breakfast. I can tell you that all the locos are having problems with black smoke. This has been going for a while now and I thought was due to the poor coal rather than bad firing. I understand that coal has to be resourced from abroad now and is inferior to home produced coal and contains large amounts of dust.
     
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    Adding to the "smokey Loco" debate here. OK most locomotives produce dark grey/black smoke when first light steam raising fire from cold.This can't IMO be helped goes with the territory, though to a degree controlled by the way to add coal as you raise steam. It also as Swanage 452 has allured can be down to the sort of coal being supplied/used.......
     
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    Large amounts of dust is usually indicative of Welsh coal but it could simply degradation during transport and transhipment from afar. Does anyone know where the present batches of coal at Swanage are coming from? I'm unaware of any bad coal being imported by the usual suppliers.
     
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    Think it was Russian, last time i chatted with crew, but that was a year ago.
     
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    Could you 'light up' with smokeless?
     
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    I’m always slightly wary of terms like “Russian” - Russia is a vast place and surely the coal from different areas could be very variable. Even in a country as small as Britain, we know that the coal varies massively within a fairly small area, and Russia is much larger. So “Russian” is no more a synonym for smoky than “Welsh” is a synonym for low smoke.

    FWIW, the last coal I used at the Bluebell was said to be Russian (on good authority) and it was nice stuff: fairly low smoke, didn’t form clinker, almost dust free. But what we have on my next firing turn, even if still “Russian” may be similar or completely different. Bear in mind as well that the larger railways are probably getting through a lorry load on average every one to two weeks during the season, so what a railway had a year ago is long gone and essentially irrelevant.

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    Mind you, we had a consignment of Scottish coal this summer when there were problems at Ffos-y-Fran or wherever it is in Wales, it was used up ages ago but crews still keep finding pockets of it in tenders, and it's pretty obvious when they do!
     
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    Depends on the smokeless fuel being used. Most require a bit more draught than you'd get with a cold engine as there is little flame.
     
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    I notice in the timetable a diesel service between Swanage and Norton will restart April.
    If they get the refurbished railcars approved for mainline by then, it could be extended to Wareham?
     
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    Could well be a case of crew training/refreshing, which would make sense IMO. Not that I'm having a dig at you observation, by the way. In anticipation of introducing the service to Wareham.
     
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    Driving through Eastleigh this morning, I’m sure I saw the bubble car outside the works with it’s headlight on. Mainline tests or my eyes deceiving me? I only got a quick glance
     
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    Looking at the times, it's essentially the 2-train Swanage-Norden peak service but using a DMU on one of the trains in the shoulders of the season instead of two steamers.
    Without a major timetable rewrite, these services wouldn't have time to get to Wareham and back.
    In fact there's no mention of Wareham at all on the 2019 timetable leaflet, other than a details of the bus service which connects main line trains with Swanage.

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    Don’t read too much into Wareham trains not being mentioned in the timetable. There was no mention of Wareham trains on the 2017 timetable either. It was only when it was confirmed at the last minute they were happening, that an updated timetable was printed.
     
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    I suspect the issue may not be the rolling stock but the Operators Licence and Network SMS. A quick look at the ORR website and as of this morning, Swanage haven't been granted an Operators Licence, nor is an application out for consultation. http://orr.gov.uk/rail/licensing/licensing-the-railway/current-licensing-consultations

    As the consultation period is quite long (14 weeks I think but may be mistaken), even being able to start training appears to be some time away.

    I am assuming that any Licence or application would be in the Swanage's own name.

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    There seems to be a cloak of secrecy over when (and if?) the 2019 Wareham trains will run. The last update I can find on the SR website was nearly a year ago and quoted "Easter 2019", well that is only 3 months away.

    Given that substantial amounts of public money have been put into this project, surely there must be some aspirations, however tentative, that could be made public as to what is/is not happening with the Wareham service?
     
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    Happened to be in Eastleigh today delivering seats and had a look in Campbell Road. A nice shiny DMMU was outside the works of the type with high seat backs. The 4TC was also on show. Does the Swanage own the other DMMU wrecks in the yard as well?
     
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    Yes two complete 117 units were sent to Eastleigh by the Swanage Railway, and one good one has been made out of the two. The rest will be scrapped once all useful parts removed.
     
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    Good news, but why has the world gone so mad with Flying Scotsman in recent years?

    I remember going to Swanage to see it in 1994. Yes it was busier than normal, but it was pretty much just a normal service day that happened to have Flying Scotsman there.

    Now it’s increased prices, no access anywhere near the railway without a pre booked ticket, and probably people taking silly risks just to get near it.
     
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    I would guess that 'social media' is a big factor - any 'event' attracts people who are not necessarily even interested in the 'event' itself but just want to post (e.g.) a selfie of them standing near the loco to show they were present.
     
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