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Swanage Railway General Discussion

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by Rumpole, Oct 10, 2012.

  1. nine elms fan

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    Pollution! what pollution....
     

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    Early steam locomotives generally ran on coke. It wasn't until the invention of the brick arch and associated deflector plate that things started to change.
     
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    It does seem a shame that Gladiator has left NP; his photographs appear to have been appreciated by many here.
    However, there does seem to be some 'playing to the gallery' effects by certain people working on heritage lines. There is much evidence here and elsewhere where it is assumed that providing much smoke and steam is what the photographers want. Maybe the majority of mobile 'phone photographers like it, but most professional or semi-professional people manage quite well without it.
    There are many instances where well meaning, but misguided, people take on a 'theatrical' role believing it impresses the paying public. For the most part it does not, but it often conveys the well worn "playing with trains" soubriquet.
    'Professionalism' should be the mantra for all heritage lines, not just the more successful ones.
     
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    Good to see the T9 out and about again today, hauling 5 green Mk.1s. <BJ>.
     
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    It seems that discussion in this thread about whether the Swanage Railway will be running a regular service into Wareham in 2019 was overtaken by other matters back on December 7th?
    Given the total lack of info about this on the SR website (as far as I can see), would I be right in thinking that this won’t be happening in 2019? This is just a friendly question from a regular visitor, currently using train & bus, but sometimes forced to drive by poor connections etc!
     
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    I thought the Wareham DMUs were due back from Eastleigh in the Autumn . However as far as I know they are still at Eastleigh. Are timescales slipping?
     
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    The SR had its class 108 DMU up for sale in anticipation one would think. Has it been sold as yet? also has the apparently successful SWR Saturday service to Corfe caused any new thinking on this matter?
     
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    When at Swanage the other day, rumour had it that one of the engines were f****d, More money required.
    Plus the paperwork is not in order for main line running.
    Money is running out.

    Worried!
     
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    Pinch an engine from the 108?

    Over the winter period last year, the Swanage railway managed to successfully mainline register 5 mk1s. They already have one mainline registered diesel. In hindsight, one can’t help thinking that getting another mainline registered diesel or two and running them with the mk1s would have been an easier, quicker and cheaper option.

    The SWR service was very successful (when they weren’t on strike). Continuing and expanding this seems a sensible option (if it weren’t for all the money already put into the 117 and bubble car).
     
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    Depends what you class as successful. How much more subsidy will the LA put in?
     
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    The were registered to be 'hauled' on the mainline for the 'U-Boat' test, but they still don't have central door locking. So can't be used for passenger carrying mainline trains yet...

    Well maybe but some people are a bit nervous about SWR or any other mainliner company potentially 'taking over'. And the money was given in the understanding Swanage run it themselves!!!
     
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    True, but Eastleigh works fitted central door locking to the 4TC (as well as completely overhauling it) within a few months. They’ve had the 117 and bubble car for approaching 4 years with no end in sight.

    Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it’s plain to see now that MK1s would have been an easier option.

    It’s understandable people have concerns about an outside operator coming in. However it would allow the SR to concentrate on its steam service, with the provision of mainline registered DMUs being someone else’s problem.
     
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    Although I believe it has been indicated this will have to change, Mark 1s still used on the Network have Secondary Door Bolts operated by door stewards (and it seems passengers, who read the 'Emergency Instructions' or can guess how a brass door bolt works!), not Central Door Locks. They do so under the series of exemptions required for Mark 1s to operate on the Network (itself an illegal act without such exemptions!)

    As for SWR providing the service, the leasing costs of modern stock would probably make this a non-starter. For some time, there has been a massive shortage of stock, especially DMUs, and while new stock is planned for introduction on an 'unprecedented scale (according to the Rail Delivery Group today) over the next year or so, surplus stock is till some way away.

    What I suspect may be causing the delay (or rather lack of solid news) may well be the Swanage obtaining its Operators Licence and Track Access Contract - Wareham is rather a different location to Cromer or Whitby!

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    We will have to wait and see what happens then. Hopefully all problems will be resolved and the SR will run Wareham services in 2019, even if things get a bit tighter than they would have liked.

    If not, hopefully the SWR service will run again so that it is still possible to visit Swanage by train.
     
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    Yes, it's a good job they got rid of all those dirty smoky steam trains. :);):eek:
     
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    Thank you. I think that the possibility of visiting Swanage by train is the lynchpin to turning this around. Can a case be made to DCC and other government bodies about the cost of restoring stock and operating a train service as against constant road improvements and traffic congestion. Purbeck is a desirable destination and wiil be all the more so when accessible by rail from the Wareham connection.
     
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    Looking at the webcam, 31806 is hauling service trains today. Loco facing out of Swanage with 5 green Mk.1s.

    I feel a visit is due to the Swanage Railway. Tomorrow looks very good weather wise. Does anyone know if 31806 is rostered please? TIA.

    Happy New Year to you all. <BJ>
     
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    Was good to see the WCR managed LU 4TC train working in 2017 which was successful but expensive to run. From
    https://www.dorsetforyou.gov.uk/travel/public-transport/purbeck-community-rail-partnership.aspx
    The DCC has brought rolling stock and there was a sum of £1.4m to refurbish them and provide maintenance facilities.
    Guess these are the the 2 railcar sets at Eastleigh and not the 4TC set at Butterley (which is also taking time to renovate).
    As this is public money would be good to have an update as if a daily service to Wareham will start in 2019?
    Was good to see the Flying Scotsman on BBC4 earlier this week and how the crew took care not to waste coal (and reduce smoke) will be good if it makes it to Swanage in 2019 from comments in the other thread?
     
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    I would imagine that the current situation is that a 2019 service is still planned and hoped for by the Swanage railway. However they are still working towards this, and so it’s too early to give a definite yes or no at the moment.

    I remember it was very touch and go with the 2017 services, and it was quite late in the day before everything fell into place and the SR were able to confirm it was happening.
     
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    Thanks a google search shows a picture of the refurbuished DMU in April looking good.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/128828453@N05/26783721017/in/photostream
    I expect the testing needs to be rigorous before it is allowed on network rail?
    Was the news on Dec 6th saying an engine needs work on it, or a rumour, hopefully can be fixed under the refurb funds?
     

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