I agree there would be a market for four or five hour trips. But I wonder if the modern day railway with nowhere to park the train and very limited pathing opportunities has made that more difficult. If we think of the big centres of population, what are the realistic options? The Harrogate Circle--out of the question. Anything out of Manchester, hopeless. The Carnforth--Preston--Hellifield circuit--possibly, but there's really nowhere to park the train for a stop en route. Crewe--Chester--Shrewsbury--Oxley---Crewe--- possibly, but is it too long for a double trip and is there enough of a catchment? Even the S and C Staycation express with a 125 only really manages one main revenue trip. I think the likelier option is 12 and 13 coach trains with 7 or 8 class power, possibly with a higher proportion of first class. The good thing for WCR and RTC is that they do have that option.