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Discussion in 'Heritage Rolling Stock' started by steamwife, Dec 18, 2007.

  1. Mogul

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    Now that the thread has drifted sufficiently for buggy accommodation to warrant a thread all of its own (mods?). What do people think about the practice of removing the toilet cubicles from MK1s? Useful for extra buggy space but in years to come will we look back and say this was vandalism of a heritage coach?
     
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    A lot of Railways do this already. As for buggies, all is commercial now getting as many bums on seats as possible.

    Chris
     
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    I can understand the reasoning, but disposal. Surely a back conversion to a TSO would be the sensible move?
     
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    (OT -sort of). When ours were that young, we very rapidly gave up on buggies and used slings - far more convenient for getting round attractions, as you were no longer constrained to only places a buggy could go.

    I do agree with you that if you have a buggy, you do become somewhat loathe to leave it behind, even if you are essentially just going out and back.

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    Apparently that was suggested Steve but no interest. A lot easier to convert back to a TSO than the original conversion to RMB. Seems especially shortsighted as the wish to increase train lengths will need more coaches, TSO’s are not exactly readily available !
     
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    Sell 1865 instead and convert 1885 to TSO?

    Best of both worlds. Cash in the bank from sale of 1865, and an extra TSO.

    Yes does seem short sighted.
     
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    Far too sensible suggestion, for anybody to even consider it.
     
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    I have a two year old, went on the South Devon last week and took the buggy for the walk into Totnes. Station staff were really helpful, but it in the guards/luggage compartment of a Mk 1 and left it there, as did a huge number of other parents. We then sat three carriages away! If you provide it, it will be used, and it doesn't have to be a big deal. Didn't meet anyone who would have wanted their buggy with them, so long as it was on the train somewhere. We all have fancy things called nappy bags we can carry with us now.

    Although Tom is right, if we weren't walking into Totnes we'd have used our sling instead
     
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    Posting error - deleted
     
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    Did these go into preservation? Nothing showing on VCT or UKPRSL sites. Just curious that's all.
     
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    There are 2 16 ton mineral wagons for sale at Ribble Steam Railway Preston, B561981 &B564811, both ex Florence mine.
    Contact me for more info.

    3155
     
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    This is on The Carriage Exchange - might be worth giving them a ring.

    WANTED - 16T MINERAL WAGON
    Wanted, One 16 ton mineral wagon. please contact 07936- 720213.
     
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    A point worth considering is how the coach is built. Basically, is it a frame which is pretty much self-supporting, with fairly light cladding to keep it wind and waterproof (like a Land Rover)? Or is it a monocoque structure, where the bodywork is, at the least, essential to the strength and stiffness of the vehicle (like a modern car)?

    Your post rung a bell, and I looked back at the RAIB report on the South Devon incident where a door which was supposed to be sealed up was opened, and a child nearly fell through the floor of a toilet compartment (RAIB Report 02, 2018 - link below). The relevant part is in section 37, and reads as follows:
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    37 The RAIB’s examination of the toilet cubicle and the damage to the door and the frame, after the accident and the subsequent repairs, found that the screws were inserted through the door frame and door at an angle (figures 16 to 19). Although the physical evidence is not conclusive, the RAIB considers that the screws could have become ineffective as a result of one or a combination of the following factors:

    a. The door was accidentally or intentionally forced open . . .

    b. The removal of the toilet floor and the decay at the base of the partitions resulted in a loss of integrity of the structure of the toilet cubicle, because the floor was no longer tying the partition walls together. This meant the structure was no longer rigid, and the movement of the train may have resulted in the door frame and the door moving relative to each other. This movement caused the screws securing the door to become loose, fracture or fall out.

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    (my emphasis, JB)

    I note that the RAIB report only suggests this as a possibility, but it does make sense. Some years back, a friend decided to go in for rallying, using an Austin-Healey Sprite. As built, the Sprite was built up from various pressed steel sheets, spot-welded together, but in many cases the panels had quite extensive cut-outs for various purposes. The friend managed to eliminate virtually all of the holes by MIG-welding thin pieces of sheet steel over them - with a quite remarkable increase in the body stiffness. You can see the effect with one of those rectangular tobacco tins; first, try twisting it with the lid off - then push the lid on firmly and try the same again. The increase in stiffness, even though the lid is only a push-fit, is very marked.

    It might be the case that a partition forming the wall of a toilet compartment contributes very little to the overall strength of a coach, or that it can be replaced by other strengthening components - in which case the only considerations would be functional / historical; but in view of that suggestion made by the RAIB (who definitely know their onions) I think it would be well worth checking it from a purely engineering perspective before removing any sizeable part of a coach or wagon.

    Link to the RAIB report:
    https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports/rep...gh-a-missing-toilet-floor-south-devon-railway
     
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    Not convinced the 'container' has ever been anywhere near a railway myself. The roof profile is all wrong.
     
  18. Steve

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    I suspect that it is but has been very much modified over time and that doesn't include the rather large hole in the side. The roof and doors have certainly been modified. The lifting hangers and gusset plate shout railway container to me.
     
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