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Question re SWT's 3417

Discussion in 'Diesel & Electric Traction' started by Woof, May 12, 2008.

  1. James

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    To help assuage the doubters,

    From my limited working knowledge of the relevant regs. it should be possible to obtain the appropriate derogationsfor using these units on the main-line subject to either a loco (ED?) on the front or the front vehicle not carrying passengers. (An ED would also provide redundancy should a failure occur.) Of course OTMR, TPWS etc would need fitting. Most, if not all, of this is covered in the Press Release.

    This would provide the same level of possible use as a charter set (e.g. the loco-hauled sets or the Hastings Unit) and is, of course, subject to appropriate Risk Assessment and Verification.
     
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    I dont doubt it at all. I think its a brilliant plan, and wish the new owners all the luck.

    Hopefully the Units on the mainline will be able eventually to go solo, without an ED, the same as the Hastings DEMU. I would imagine that with an ED coupled to the train, that the formation would be 8 CIG + 3 Car, due to platforms not catering for 13 cars?
     
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    These units are already fitted with TPWS, so just OTMR is the problem.
     
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    Not only will these units be valuable as purely EMUT traction, they will be valuable as TC Units. A 33/1 Push/Pull Crompton on the back anyone? 33108/33111 put into Main Line running order, and the 10 point cut-out on the CIGs?

    The list is endless! \:D/
     
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    What a site that would be and in SR green!! \:D/
     
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    Are you sure that 33/1 push/pull and a TC can go in SR green. Blue only I think
    :-k :-k :-k :-k
     
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    Blue would be good too!
     
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    This has to be good news for the slam door units as i understand the Hasting unit has got derogation.
    Its booked out on a trip from Hasting to Bournemouth on Saturday 28 of June 08.
    Hastings 0735 Tonbridge 0823/0826 Petttswood 0846/0849 Clapham J 0919/0922 Woking 1034/1037 Southampton 1205/1207 Bournmouth 1246. Returns 1735 Southampton 1818/1820 Woking 1933/1936 Clapham J 2053/2056 Pettswood 2133/2136 Tonbridge 2158/2201 Hastings 2255.
     
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    The Hastings unit has derogation because it has the engine compartment classed as a crumple zone. Btw, out of curiosity does anyone know who the private trip is for, or is it a secret?

    Chris
     
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    The TC was definitely blue, unsure what livery the 33/1 was. 60% sure that was blue livery!
     
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    All 33's were originally supplied in BR Green. However, the batch converted to class 33/1 in 1967 for use with the TC units beyond Bournemouth were the first to be re-painted into BR blue. Originally the TCs were all-over blue as well, but soon changed to corporate blue/grey.
     
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    Anyone remember the 17.09 Wloo to Elgh/Salisbury in 1967... Train formed of 8 VAB(8001) + 4 tc +33/1. train detatched at Basingstoke?
     
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    "Anyone remember the 17.09 Wloo to Elgh/Salisbury in 1967... Train formed of 8 VAB(8001) + 4 TC & 33/1. train detatched at Basingstoke?"

    Yes, I occasionally travelled on it in the early 1980's when it was formed 33/1, 4TC, 8VEP. It gave the best acceleration of any train out of Waterloo. The 8 Vep was booked to be detached at Basingstoke. On one occasion the portions arrived in the wrong order and the 1709 (or 1712 by then) was formed 8VEP, 33/1 & 4TC No great problem until arrival at Basingstoke where the 8VEP was booked to be detached and shunted ecs to Barton Mill CS at the London end of Basingstoke. Before the recent resignalling there were no crossovers at the country end of Basingstoke station. The solution was to shunt the 8 VEP to the DSL by the site of Basingstoke West SB, despatch the 33 & 4TC via the DFL to Basingstoke, then shunt the 8 Vep to Barton Mill. All of this had to be done while running other services.

    There were other emu plus 33/1 & TC formations operated on timetabled services. For a few months in the late 1970's the last up stopper from Bournemouth to Eastleigh on weekday evenings was formed 33/1, TC and 4VEP as a stock balance.

    What ran on any of the "Q" inter depot workings was anyones guess. As long as the formation didn't exceed the conductor rail index and all the stock was fitted with 27 way westcode control it ran... The oddest formation I ever saw was 33/1, 4 VEP, 4REP (with one motor coach "dead"), 73/1 on diesel power and a 2 HAP!

    Regards, Neil
     
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    I'm sure one of our old-hand drivers has mentioned one formation on a Sunday that used to be:
    Crompton,
    2HAP,
    4TC,
    4VEP
    Little ED

    All units/locos working as well - what a great idea. Having rolling stock that can couple to everything else that uses the same line. What a piece of genius. I shall have to suggest that to SWT one of these days...

    *Thinks: We've come a long way from 3417, haven't we...?*
     
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    All appears to be quiet on the Bluebell side of things other than a thread on our Yahoo chat group where the railways General Secretary stated:

     
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    And yet Tom the Bluebell News os autumn 2007 stated that the PLC had paid £1 for it, strange wouldn,t you say?

    regards
    Chris
     
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    It is, something is amiss! ](*,)
     
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    I wouldnt be suprised if the sale is being left till the VEP is actually moved to East Grinstead, if the agreement is in place there is no urgent rush and if she is to remain on SWT land for the time being its much simpler for SWT to continue ownership.

    Chris
     
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    and she is being well looked after.............
     

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