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Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by kestreleyes, Nov 22, 2009.

  1. Vulcan Works

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    I trust that someone has remembered to make the work site safe and fence off the excavation and spoil...Basic health and safety on a construction site!
     
  2. kestreleyes

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    depends what you class as the worksite?, the access gate to the shed site can be closed off isolating everyone public wise from the whole area, theres already open pits ,trip hazards,rails etc all over the area which aren't cordoned off on this or any other heritage line (youd run out of fencing in the world if you did) if it was more on the public side of the site down near the platforms then yes id agree
     
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    It's not just about keeping the public away; if one of your workforce fell in and was injured the HSE might take quite a dim view.
     
  4. kestreleyes

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    one of the workforce could fall into the pits outside the shed,or the pits inside the shed or any other part of the non public bit at any time, ,the issue is making an exclusion zone around the worksite while spoil removal is ongoing,hence the gate or doing this on a non operating day and also about how you manage the work,eg staff being aware of the worksite

    we regularly dig big holes on the big railway but we don't fence them off while we work around them as that would be counterproductive to the work and also timewise a nightmare to put up in possessions, I take your point about managing safety though,but if you have to fence off one pit you have to fence them all off everywhere,better to manage the whole access issue
     
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    The Construction Design & Management Regs 2015 apply to all construction works inc. railways. 'Construction' is wide ranging e.g. it includes demolition and some maintenance activities. Network Rail publishes a lot of good CDM guidance that is useful to heritage railways. Roles and responsibilities must be identified and a plan created to manage all construction projects. It can be 1 page or 100 pages depending on the project complexity.

    I can't comment on PR's application of the Regs but all railways must mitigate construction risks to the public, staff and volunteers (and even trespassers!), many of whom will be infrequent visitors / unfamiliar with the site.

    More generally, vehicle and railway inspection pits don't require a fence but there is a general duty to provide 'suitable' control measures e.g. restricting who can enter, or temp. cover boards or edge protection. Excavation works are by nature temporary; on private property there's a general requirement for 'suitable' control measures. In the public highway all works must be barriered and comply with Streetworks Code of Practice. On top of all that a project has to consider environmental issues (e.g. contaminated spoil) and other relevant H&S legislation (e.g. use of plant, electrical safety, trench support, working at height). Complicated!

    Coming back to PR, CDM Regs would apply to any extension of the line in addition to the planning consents and Transport & Works Order etc. This puts any site work several years away even if 1) the project started 'today' and 2) if PR had the competence to take on the task...but perhaps that's better discussed in the PRAG thread!
     
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    Deleted this post because it was a duplicate.
     
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    Then there's the problem of the F10 notification. It used to have fairly simple requirements to require the issue but since they have upped all the numbers of people/ man hours /duration that will occur before it is required how on earth do you work out whether on not you need one on a fairly lengthy,primarily volunteer based piece of work?
     
  8. kestreleyes

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    Point taken however two examples come to mind from recent weeks of what I was saying,

    1 weekday night job involving a deep dig of wet ballast by RRV with sleepers pushed out (national network) no fence erected as Worksite very temporary but more importantly fence would be in the way of the job both work wise and time wise to set up. Dealt with by exclusion zone and safe briefing to those on site, no public access but access to anyone within the possession .

    Example 2. Visit to heritage railway construction site, Around sheds,structures not yet open to public and from with you could fall from height (platform). No fences as you point out around open pits ,worksite however public access limited by gate and site closed off to public to manage access and via safe briefing to us as visitors

    Both national and heritage worksites managed for the two examples by not erecting a huge fence. Rather through managing access directly to the area and briefings , I can understand If it’s on open public land or a footpath indeed yes fenced off happily. But the back of the shed is off public access with a gate in front the shed to limit access while works to remove spoil occur. There’s another load of fences and gates to go through on non running days too which add extra limits to public getting near the pit.

    So the question for me is have you limited access and briefed those who should be aware? To reduce risk which is mentioned primarily in the simplified government guidelines for CDM on their website
     
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    Very busy day today. Il start with s and t

    Started off with replacing the old diagram at darley dale which has been having lamp faults upon it and also needed updating now north yard has gone. That plus a bit of rewiring later on and onto the next job of treating church lane 14 signal brackets walkboards

    After that up to church lane for a brew with Rodney and to change the glass in the stove which had got cracked and then up to Rowsley with John where we’ve run the mains cable into the box from the loc ready for terminating and also realigned one of the pulley wheel lead off plates better to the wire run

    Andrew and bill have also been busy routing the handrails in Rowsley box
    So they’re smooth to the touch

    Ashover Light Railway

    The gang have been busy lying sleepers and formation for their running line out the rear of their shed. They have also started to erect the uprights on the frame hoist they recently overhauled

    Loco and carriages

    Ben and the lmsca folks have been doing a bit more on 7828 and the class 25 cab is now back on its body following the rebuild of the north end cab, rewiring and fitting out continue prior to painting

    Mr Briddon tells me that rs8 is making steady progress up at Tunstead works and the PCV is now remounted back upon its bogies again

    I note the ww2 style bunker for next years forties event is finished though in chatting with the gang they do point that a lot of little
    Finishing bits to add to it to create the replica mid strength type bunker as deployed behind enemy lines.

    Lastly to say a thank you to Rodney one of our volunteer signallers and also s and t who has recently moved to the welsh borderlands , he finished his last signalling turn today and I thanked him for his help , hel stay in touch as he may be back in the area from time to time
     

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    Small update this weekend. Andrew John and myself worked on getting the mains power into the box made of into the electrical isolating boxes and cleating up under the box. We also disconnected and removed with the pways help the narrow gauge ground frame ,rods and stools as some of the old Track has been sold off it’s hoped the ground frame will at some point become the ashover light railways frame as they will need one at their shed and their running line continues to be expanded down a long bank towards the picnic fields

    John has been continuing with works under the box replacing s hooks with industrial d links and is on with freeing up the hand adjusters and I know peter has been busy with the digital telephone exchange gear in the background too

    I should have a few more days in a weeks time, one of which is painting under Rowsley box and more box work, clearing out, mechanical work and fit the demonstration dolly signal that’s now painted and built up at home waiting to come down.

    I didn’t manage to get to talk to either the HSt or renown repulse ,lmsca or pway gangs who were about as just too busy but will have a better chance next time
     
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    61DACFDF-5EB2-4C9D-9210-0AED41EABA12.jpeg 5216CC67-DFBC-49F7-870F-C1E8EBD90AA4.jpeg Shed news

    The removal of the old spoil fill behind the shed continues plus removing the old
    Timber beams the track used to sit upon. Some of the spoil has been used by the S and t to build up outside Rowsley box

    The class 25 continues, the floor on the south end has been finished and the electrical cable runs are being remade in steel to match what was there that was wasted away, electrical testing inside continues and the engine bay is due for a good clean down next too

    The large prairie is being stripped down now and firebox work continues on the small prairie

    Myself I spent a day with Andrew doing more wiring which John is also working on and for my karma painted the underside Of Rowsley box in white (my zen is strong ). This is one of several work days this week so there’l be more updates before the weekend

    Rod is working on some steelwork for the mezzanine storage area of the shed as well as some other items for the box
     
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    2-8-0T Dom not a large Prairie,wish it was though :)

    Dave
     
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    Thanks, not that great good at telling the differences.

    Elsewhere on locomotive fronts. I noted the Heritage Shunters trust we’re having Bigga’s glazing redone with new window seals by P.A.C a mobile glazing firm, their fleet was having all the batteries charged up and checked over and I’ve attached a photo of one of their locos under restoration with its engine removed , big job

    Also Mr Briddon has had another shunted arrive and I’m told it was the prototype for its class , again picture attached and il uplink to weekend rails soon too

    Myself and John for our sins have spent more days this week painting, running electrics, forming conduits for Said electrics,as well as putting in down pipes From Rowsley box gutters and yes it did rain , I got very wet . Rod has been making up framework for a safety cage to go around the weight gear under the box

    The LMSCA have been continuing on both the brakevan and also on 8728s roof which is having a repaint in the dry of the shed



    Santa’s have started so more to update in a weeks time , till then stay warm
    And dry folks
     
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    An update from the Renown and Repulse
    Group on their locos

    https://www.renownrepulse.com/news-.../work-party-reports-update-december-2018.html

    Also I forgot a
    Picture last time of the MR brakevan the LMSCA have been restoring. Here she is with woodwork starting to go on the sides and floors

    On S&T we cleared out the sleepers from
    Under the weights under the box
    And made ready the floor space and used the timbers to start replacing the fence posts outside that needed work we also had some Work on the wheels on the front of the weights that needed a better bit of platework fitting which will be next times job to drill and fit back on C3295B7A-B39B-49EA-B9B4-D6A3E5165A0F.jpeg
     
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    Shed work

    The rewiring of the second cab on the class 25 progresses. I called in to wash up and have a brew and Martin was telling me it’s been a lot easier doing this cab following the other one, Andrew is also helping out on some of the electrical testing work

    The class 37 is inside shed being sanded down and having welding and filling done as part of the repaint on her over winter

    Rod has manufactured up a boiler rolling jig which had me scratching my head for a good while as to what it actually was, I’m told it’ll allow the easy turning around of a boiler to be worked upon.

    I was lucky enough to see another carriage arrive, 8 Of ten I’m told for storage.

    On my own department, I swapped over the steel plate previously mentioned and bill has made a side gate for the box to be fitted once painted up, Andrew and John continue to do electrical works and peter is continuing with the exchange works and cables
     
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    For a requested £3 donation on the door, all welcome to:

    Monday 7 January 2019 at 7:30pm
    "The Sheffield-Dore widening in pictures - Part 2"

    - digital - Ted Hancock


    Last August a full-house enjoyed Part 1 of this show when, such were the number of interesting pictures, we only got as far as Heeley. Part 2 now continues south including the construction of Millhouses Shed and a detailed look at the extensive alterations at Dore.




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    Presented by: Peak Railway Association (Sheffield Branch) at
    The Harlequin Pub (upstairs function room)
    108 Nursery St, Sheffield S3 8GG

    bus routes 3, 7, 8, 8a, 83 and 83a stop near the front door.

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    David Sharp
    Peak Railway Association, Sheffield Branch

    (E): d.sharp@sheffield.ac.uk
    (H): 0114 274 5478
    (M): 07950 787 231 (text or call)

    future branch programme and directions to The Harlequin, can be found at:
    http://www.peakrail.co.uk/SheffieldBranch




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    Aizlewoods Mill car park. The menacing parking notices are to tackle daytime abuse. Aizlewoods confirm Harlequin patrons can continue to park in evenings. 'Policing' only done by Aizlewoods staff (who finish at 1700). The London security firm is used just to process any parking notices instigated by Aizlewoods.
     
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    8C2DBCE8-51F4-4A12-B434-CA22DE75B7E8.jpeg Small update

    The pway have been up doing sleeper and track work at Darley Dale, the first of several dates before the operating seAson, the HST groups class 08 leading the works train

    Rowsley

    The class 25 wiring continues and the control desk in the south end onto yes to be required and rebuilt (pic attached)

    Boiler and firebox work continues on varying boilers, and the class 37 repainting work is ongoing

    On the signalling side John and Andrew continued up at Rowsley. My day was curtailed early through family medical emergency but the feet for the self adjusting weights have been remade in steel plate with a fixed pivot and some welding to boot including securing bolts nuts etcetera and these should be refitted next week and wel see how they work
     
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    Little Update Il start with my own dept

    Peter and Deborah have swapped over the Rowsley phone circuits to the digital exchange they have been fitting out at Rowsley , John ,Andrew and myself spent some hours finally getting the weights under full tension under the box after fitting the feet on the bars and changing the coach screws for full size ones and started to try the lineside point operating boxes, we’ve noted a few places it’s snagging on various things and the boxes need a good freeing off with the gas bottle but it’s a start , not bad as the last time one worked in this country was back in the late 1980s. So early days yet and wel carry on over the coming weeks with the learning curves

    Apart from That we also did some motor point maintenance and faulting whilst there, the point operators overide box will be getting some new operating buttons which I’ve ordered from off the net and also a new 110v ac power failure relay for the signallers power failure indication unit as that was looking slightly high resistance when tested.

    Rowsley

    Work continues upon the 25, Andrew has been overhauling the generator and brushes and Martin and Ollie have been putting the roof back together on the south end. The control desk is still to go back in and a few other jobs too. The praries firebox is having a piece inserted into its throatplate while the other prairie continues its strip down

    Mencap were down doing site maintenance and rod was busy making up some more access scaffold for getting at the locos elevated wise

    The permanent way have been continuing up sleeper changing at Darley Dale and managed a good dozen plus changed in the time available.

    Luckily no trees came down across the line with the high winds but several locally did come down especially one in the darley park while the gang were working adjacent.
     

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    A few from the permanent way from the weekend just gone , sorting dipped
    Joint ends and fence post replacement , pics courtesy D Pendleton
     

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