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Peak Rail General Discussion

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by kestreleyes, Nov 22, 2009.

  1. kestreleyes

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    Did a lot of different jobs today, started off by creosoting the replaced starter boards we did on Friday up at darley,plus some boards round the location cupboards there, then moved onto rowsley box fitting the bolts through the chains on the wheels there, again a learning curve there as the original had the wires simply pushed through the holes and soldered up as a blob to jam under tension, not that great and could lead to failures so I opted for hooked bolts in the end but then you realise they angle into the chains somewhat so after developing a way to get the bolts done I’ve managed to fit them all bar one which needs a thinner one making for next time, I also sorted out some steel for the door jamb and filled in the doorway end with some more rubble, and tidied out the box ready for the stairs which rod has nearly finished up in the workshop ,time to dismantle move and reassemble it soon in the hole in the floor.



    Rowsley


    A Garratt’s frame has arrived at the shed, long term restoration, the class 37 has had one side and the front sanded and primed now, the class 25 ,work has moved onto the other cab end and the floor ,wiring and pipe works have been removed so the metal can be needle gunned prior to steel fabrication work, the 08 engine overhaul continues,


    Up in the LMSCA the Esso tank waggon is having final painting done prior to stencils fitting, the MR brake is also being reassembled now too.


    The pway and mr Fisher were busy fettling and weedkilling up the sidings and the HST were beavering away in their shed but I ran out of time to go nosy and see how they were doing.


    A large quantity of castings have arrived for the darley footbridge project too.


    Mr Lathrope and gang have been painting up darley station buildings and also the crossing gate lamps and targets too.
     
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    Is the Garratt standard gauge?
    I recall correspondence in the very early editions of Steam in the Peak (pre 1980), when South Africa was still an apartheid state, from someone claiming to be a fireman on South African Railways saying the S A government where willing to ship redundant Garratts (3ft 6iin gauge) to preserved railways in Britain. (to win friends and influence people).
    Some correspondents, upon seeing this, were even suggesting that the Peak Rail line should be laid as a duel gauge to allow them to run.
     
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    More likely to be Mr Waterman's NGG16 No 109
    This was at the FR/WHR but presumably they have got fed up storing it.

    Keith
     
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    This is a bit confusing, so before I criticise it (which was my original thought, but I may be wrong) can you post a photo?
     
  5. kestreleyes

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    Does this help explain it?
     
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    A bit. Where are these wheels? It doesn’t look remotely right to me, but not being so familiar with Midland frames I’m willing to be corrected on that. But it looks like a bodge!


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    That’s probs probably why it looks so strange to you, the Europeans didn’t follow our example and use big heavy lever systems with limited distances of pulls on rods or tubes so adopted wire driven frames instead,with self compensating weight systems and smaller lever frames, the wheel pictured is directly bolted to the shortened lever, a testament to its operation is the fact they are still used from New Zealand to Asia,Europe to Africa in all extremes of heat with much longer pulls than our mechanical points ever had, the Midland and others played with designs of the type but ultimately never adopted them as a whole,likely due to the fact many manufacturers of our nations frames were already well established with their own patents so why pay someone else to use another’s frame design and do yourself out of business just because someone else has a good idea .
    The pic below should help, the wheel pictured last time is the one attached to the lever
     

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    At this distance you've not convinced me that it was a good idea and an improvement over the more conventional UK system of point rodding. I would accept that a longer pull would almost certainly be possible but that's about it. Mechanical rodding failures may not be unknown but wire ropes are not exactly immune from breakage and I would suggest far more likely. The heavy weights will have to be significantly heavier than the pull required in order for it to work.
     
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    You’re not joking the weights are heavier . They also have jockey weights that sit on top of the main weights, the point operating boxes have a spring loaded dog that pops out if the wire snaps as you can appreciate one side of the wire is in tension always so will pull If the wire snaps

    The internet quotes the benefits as being longer pulls,easier installation (took a weekend to put in the wires And stakes,which I’m more happy than spending months digging runs in), self compensation As previously mentioned and fairly easy to install the frame, I’d happily put one of them in again over a British frame simply for the ease of installation, there is also a mention that they were preferred in yards due to not having open rod runs everywhere so the wires could be boxed and piped in.


     
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    A bit more convinced but still of the opinion that a wire rope falls much further down the reliability ladder than rodding.:) Need to come and look at it in the flesh, so to speak.
     
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    Here's an example of the sort of weights required as part of the system, in a German installation in this case:

    https://flic.kr/p/durTGj
     
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    Another possible reason the 'Double Wire' system did not catch on in the UK was the restriction the Board of Trade placed on the distance that points could be operated from a signal box. This was 150 yards in the 1880s, 200 yards by the turn of the century, and 350 yards in 1925. So the advantage of longer distance operation may not have been very attractive for what was generally a non-standard frame.
     
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    Belated thanks. I hadn’t realised you had the 2 wire system. The diagram explains why the chain is fixed to the wheel, which is the bit I was struggling with.


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    Great pictures and also having the event blessed with great sunshine for it aswell,, hope they had decent turn out for visitors, not my thing but my little lad would probably enjoy it, have to come to future one
     
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    Seemed to Be quite busy, I didn’t get much time to get any better pics asonly had a morning to play then off to work, it was the last weekend of the school hols and the chatsworth show was on too, as you say weather was good too
     
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    small bit of an update

    managed a half day doing signalling bits, Harvey was spot retimbering riverside,the lads in the shed were busy making up new under floor cableways and steelwork for the class 25 cab framework as theres a bit of wasteage under the base of the old cab floor while the cab has been craned off, the 08 is having its undercoat put on then it will be several coats of top coat plus all the rubbing down to do, the cylinders will go back in sometime soon.

    at matlock the main station is closed with some of the derby renewal work,the old platform canopy has had its glazing removed and the steelwork is being sandblasted and repainted, therel be more on this later on.
     
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