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Peak Rail Annual Report and Action Group

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by huochemi, Aug 11, 2017.

  1. estwdjhn

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    It would be a rather strange and pointless choice.

    There are quite a number of places dedicated to industrials already, several of them fairly local, and mostly with some actual connection to industry. What would Peak rail offer that Tanfield, Foxfield, Chasewater, Middleton, etc. don't already do 10 times better?
     
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    A fair point but somehow Rowsley must become a place to visit, its not now especially as i think we are all agreed that PR in the short to medium term will not be extending North
     
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    Very niche. It would struggle to attract me, never mind the great British public, who are key to the financial success of most heritage operations, like it or not.
     
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    How about a Patriot, as they used to use the line anyway, and a museum about railways and how they helped the war effort? Start in ww1, what gauge is that narrow gauge that's there? Could that represent the trench railways? Build a shed/museum that could house the LMS ambulance that has recently been gifted to the LMSCA, talk about women working during the war in men's jobs, talk about moving the troops, moving ammunition, railway works building tanks for the war effort, the railway war memorial locomotives, and then a big section on the unknown warrior. Contact all the local schools within say an hour's drive to come down and do experience days. Nice bit of sustainable income there.
    You could then see if the recent news about 44422 no longer being at the WSR, could be merged with the LMS Patriot project, along with a new build Fowler tank. You could even set up a Shakespeare's of the east Midlands and have summer Sunday steam trips from peak rail to derby using the triangle at one end and turntable at the other. Visiting Matlock baths as a big pull for tourists.

    Oh hang on, I haven't won the euro millions this week.
     
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    I do think Peak rail is stuck in a rut I have not visited for years the last time I went to travel behind the 44 but there is nothing new to draw me back for over a hours travelling as there are line with more to offer a lot closer. I do think it struggles with having lots of other lines not to far away such as both of the great centrals.
     
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    Having lived nearly 4 years in Matlock, I have to agree with this posting. I don't see Peak Rail amounting to very much certainly in the short to medium term.

    The line from Rowsley to Matlock, is, I have to say, little more than a " demonstration line". Darley Dale station, a gothic pile, is the jewel in the crown, and a destination in its own right but leaving Rowsley, there is barely time to take a sip of coffee before arriving there. Matlock is the pleasant county town of Derbyshire, and it is to Peak Rail's credit that they can now enter platform 2. However with no run round facilities available, top and tailing trains is the only option.

    Rowsley itself is a huge site, which many Heritage Railways would be envious of, but is not at all visitor friendly. This is a great pity as there are groups there which are doing sterling work in less than ideal conditions. There does not seem to be any corporate plan to maximise Rowsley's potential, which would need a great deal of capital or even "joined up thinking" that I can detect. I have seen many Peak Rail statements and policies regarding extending north towards Buxton, but I fail to see that any are realistic.

    Lastly, and not directly connected, coming up to Feb half term I note the website home page is promoting Santa trains for 2018!!
     
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    I think there are some Norman lairds who are unlikely to allow a push north ever. Peak Rail would never dare speak of such, and Derbyshire is very old fashioned, most such places are in ruins nationally, and perhaps we are all glad they endured in Derbyshire and threw open their houses and grounds.Perhaps Corbyn will smash traditional land owners and give them a chance. Bakewell to Millers Dale? Maybe a more scenic option, miss out the hardest bit between Rowsley and Bakewell! Bike riding industry. Possible, but Very hard ask, so no disrespect for only getting as far as they have. Rowsley could in time become an excellent centre. Why is no one unrealistically outraged the SVR havent reached Ironbridge? Or NYMR Malton, or Warcop to Barnard Castle/ Lakeside reach Ulverstone, Watercress a through route. Dartmoor to Plymouth, and so on. Particularly Butterley hasnt reached Ambergate, thats a local "failure", or a sense of realism that they can remember the branch as it was but cant do the whole line.
    A good way might be dividing into a company aspiring for the whole hog, a pressure group, and one called PeakRail,aiming for Rowsley village, "the original Terminus of the MBM&MJR" and consolidate what they have. A replica station this side of the A6, and, whilst the line may be not exciting for enthusiasts in terms of gradients, a LMS tank of two and a J94 in Cronford and High Peak Livery, and Derbyshire gets even better.
     
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    In the case of the SVR and the NYMR both already have a considerable length of track from somewhere to somewhere to give a very satisfactory ride, and most extension enthusiats would (perhaps relucatantly!) agree that they have quite enough infrastructure to maintain already. In the case of Peak Rail, the railway itself has I believe repeatedly talked up plans to extend to Rowsley proper and Bakewell at least (I seem to remember over the years seeing such phrases as 'You can shortly expect an exciting announcement about the extension' and other such teasers about planning applications to be submitted 'shortly' or similar, on the official website, which have never come to anything). Hence the disappointment.
    If they'd just said in effect 'It's a long term ambition but don't hold your breath, we're not in a position to do anything now' then I think most people would have accepted it, but expectations have been repeatedly raised and dashed. Of course, now I would tend to disregard anything that Peak Rail said re any extension unless and until actual track was being laid!
     
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    Not long now! Peak Railway Association Ltd's AGM is getting closer, so start planning your journey to the Whitworth Centre on the 23rd February .
     
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    I am going for first time, more people that go the better. I get the understanding that many PRA members are unwilling to make change but i feel that Peak Rail is sinking ship, unless change is made soon could 2019 be its last year? Just compare PR online presence to all other heritage lines within an hours drive.
     
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    Well the big question then is there a cohesive opposition with a plan to remove the existing management? Are remote members being informed of the issues?

    Without a groundswell of opinion for change then it wont matter if the AGM is attended by twice last years total, nothing will change.


    Keith
     
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    You have probably come to the same conclusion i came to many years ago that this railway is run by liars who are supported by idiots. This is why i wouldn't to want to lift a finger to help this outfit and i would love to see the line reopened by NR and PR killed off for good.
     
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    Now steady on! Just because the management is next to useless, that doesn't take away any of the achievements of the volunteers over the past few decades. Given how much has been invested, it's got to be worth trying to save as a heritage railway.
     
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    Lions lead by Donkeys would be a little kinder to the volunteers.
     
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    Not sure what has happened to the PR Action Group. Was looking postive this time last year, but the faithful seemed to swallow the propaganda put out in the name of Waterman.
     
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    As Sheff is well aware, the appearance of the 'newsletter' in March 2018, coincided with PRAG circulating supporters and shareholders to sign up for an EGM. It was ironic that at the same time the newsletter alleged that PRAG sought to replace the PR Board with "person or persons unknown" PRAG supporters were receiving full bios on the alternatives. Nonetheless, the baseless allegations made in the newsletter resulted in a proportion of those shareholders who had promised to support PRAG getting cold feet.

    Thus PRAG was put in a dilemma. We had more than enough support to force an EGM, but less than the minimum target we had set ourselves, needed to guarantee success at the resultant meeting. On the one hand, we owed it to those that had signed up to us to go ahead but on the other, to have tried and failed could have been an even worse outcome. In the short term, PRAG hoped that by setting the record straight we might be able to bring out the truth, so we between us drafted a 10 page letter to Pete Waterman that we hoped would make him realise that his name had been put to a seriously flawed case.

    Let me quote but one sentence from that letter -

    "We would far rather resolve issues peacefully and democratically rather than resorting to the sort of destructive campaigning and 'dirty tactics' that this letter over your signature represents."

    Sadly, he did not respond and the intervening year has been of benefit only to solicitors. As the anniversary approaches, Pete has drafted a statement which has been approved by his solicitors and this will be released in the next 24 hours. He is also preparing a full 'document pack' of the correspondence, starting with the letter to Waterman and the subsequent exchanges between him, his solicitors, Peak Rail solicitors and the ORR. This will be made available to Peak Rail shareholders, and anyone else interested. He has nothing to hide.

    RF
     
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    s Sheff is well aware, the appearance of the 'newsletter' in March 2018, coincided with PRAG circulating supporters and shareholders to sign up for an EGM. It was ironic that at the same time the newsletter alleged that PRAG sought to replace the PR Board with "person or persons unknown" PRAG supporters were receiving full bios on the alternatives. Nonetheless, the baseless allegations made in the newsletter resulted in a proportion of those shareholders who had promised to support PRAG getting cold feet.

    Thus PRAG was put in a dilemma. We had more than enough support to force an EGM, but less than the minimum target we had set ourselves, needed to guarantee success at the resultant meeting. On the one hand, we owed it to those that had signed up to us to go ahead but on the other, to have tried and failed could have been an even worse outcome. In the short term, PRAG hoped that by setting the record straight we might be able to bring out the truth, so we between us drafted a 10 page letter to Pete Waterman that we hoped would make him realise that his name had been put to a seriously flawed case.

    Let me quote but one sentence from that letter -

    "We would far rather resolve issues peacefully and democratically rather than resorting to the sort of destructive campaigning and 'dirty tactics' that this letter over your signature represents."

    Sadly, he did not respond and the intervening year has been of benefit only to solicitors. As the anniversary approaches, Pete Briddon has drafted a statement which has been approved by his solicitors and this will be released in the next 24 hours. He is also preparing a full 'document pack' of the correspondence, starting with the letter to Waterman and the subsequent exchanges between him, his solicitors, Peak Rail solicitors and the ORR. This will be made available to Peak Rail shareholders, and anyone else interested. He has nothing to hide.

    RF
     

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