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Pacers: The End

Discussion in 'Diesel & Electric Traction' started by DismalChips, May 24, 2018.

  1. toplight

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    I could see maybe a few new generation lines getting a pacer as a starter train, but they probably wont have a long term future in preservation as they aren't appealing to visitors or enthusiasts. They would probably then get used and used until something major goes wrong, then get parked in a siding to rust away for a while, until they get the chop.

    Would I want to give up my weekends to volunteer to work on one ? no thanks, its the glory days of railways I want to see/work on
     
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    Someone applied to bring one to Llangollen years ago; it was declined, (just) one of the reasons being that there was no easy way to rescue it in the event of failure (incompatible couplings, special tow bar required, not available at the time)
     
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    Owned by the same group who own the other DMUs isn't it? Currently at Butterley. Best place for it - I'd much rather ride on the Wickham at Llangollen!
     
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    Only ever had a couple of rides on a pacer, but ill agree that its certainly a unique ride on them, but kinda like them even if they are a pile of junk, cheap unit that did a job that it was needed for and to be fair have done it well, for alot longer than anyone thought possible. A couple deserve preservation they tell important part of railway development and how cash strapped br kept services going
     
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    MellishR Part of the furniture Friend

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    I had what I think was my first ride in a Pacer and will probably be my last on Friday last week, when services from St Pancras were cancelled and the station announcer advised us to go to either Euston or Kings Cross, so I had a Pacer from Doncaster to Sheffield. I am happy to have had that experience once.
     
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    Pacers tell an important story in the development of British railways. Namely at a time when the rail network was coming under political pressure and there was the potential for things like Sopel to be enacted, they were a response - cheap to build, not very sophisticated, a debatable upgrade on what went before.

    They do not reflect a ‘glorious’ phase of railway history, but they tell a story of the railways under pressure, every much as important as Edwardian, interwar or Victorian era developments.

    They are no more out of place on a heritage line than an Ivatt tank on the IOWR (had the lines survived then that is what BR would have run on them).

    They may well go the way of many 1st gen DMUs where a lot were preserved, only to fall out of use and many end up being cannibalised or cut up. (Thinking here about the DMUs at the WSR in the 1980s for example).

    I didn't have any love for the units I used to commute to work on, but I am glad that some have been preserved.

    I will also say this. While we as users may not love them, they may have meaning for later generations. For example, I like the fact that I can travel behind locos or travel in carriages that my grandparents used in the 1920s and 1930s. I know they didn't love them because they said so, but now that they are gone, it is a little bit of a connection to relatives who are now gone.

    I wouldn't want to commute in a 4 wheel coach from the 1890s every day, I wouldn't want to travel in a Quadart every day, nor a Wickham or a 101. But I am glad that they are all preserved and I can travel in them for a short while.
     
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