If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

Pacers: The End

Discussion in 'Diesel & Electric Traction' started by DismalChips, May 24, 2018.

  1. Victor

    Victor Part of the furniture Friend

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2006
    Messages:
    12,213
    Likes Received:
    5,441
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    DEWSBURY West Yorkshire
    Well, I can't knock it if it's being put to good use. The wheels won't be turning, platform 1 is tucked away in a corner out of sight so fair play to the folk who have got it.
     
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2020
    60017 likes this.
  2. Victor

    Victor Part of the furniture Friend

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2006
    Messages:
    12,213
    Likes Received:
    5,441
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    DEWSBURY West Yorkshire
    Ref. my post #420..........as you were, they were back on the Wakefield -Doncaster line yesterday:( The London trains were 91 powered, not an Azuma in sight.
     
  3. Leafent

    Leafent New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2017
    Messages:
    89
    Likes Received:
    54
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The UK
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    This comment seems rather dumb looking back, with 20 odd in line to be preserved.
     
  4. Alan Kebby

    Alan Kebby Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2019
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    436
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Brighton
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Any idea what the collection of Pacers being amassed at Eastleigh by Arlington is to be used for? Lots of theories around but none make any sense really.

    1. Destined for the IOW - But order for D trains has already been placed.
    2. For Swanage to Wareham services - But class 117 and bubble car already overhauled for this purpose.
    3. For leasing to TOCs - But I thought all TOCs were trying to get rid of them.
    4. For stripping for parts - Is there really such a market for Pacer parts that makes it worth doing this? Pacers that still exist are only owned by preserved railways, already in good condition, and not in need of many parts.
     
  5. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    Messages:
    19,229
    Likes Received:
    33,626
    Location:
    215
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    It’s a social distancing initiative. The Government is worried that even now too many people are still trying to use the train, so they are introducing pacers to the SWML in an effort to further dissuade them from doing do.

    Tom
     
    CH 19, MellishR, D8568 and 8 others like this.
  6. D1039

    D1039 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2007
    Messages:
    2,913
    Likes Received:
    1,612
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    North Somerset
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    From elsewhere:

    The 144s have finished. Last run was 144019 HUD-SHF on April 3.

    143s apparently still running in South Wales and GWR but some stored

    142s have been in use for route learning for Northern for services from York to Scarborough

    Patrick
     
  7. M59137

    M59137 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2009
    Messages:
    1,093
    Likes Received:
    1,224
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Carriage & Wagon
    Location:
    Sheringham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    For parts recovery I believe.

    Sent from my HTC U Play using Tapatalk
     
  8. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2014
    Messages:
    8,973
    Likes Received:
    4,800
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    31A
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    8 coach train for the IOW, all coupled with 92134 with air brake equipment...;):)
     
    Monkey Magic likes this.
  9. Alan Kebby

    Alan Kebby Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2019
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    436
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Brighton
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Is there really a market for Pacer parts though? The preserved units are all in working order straight out of service, and will see limited use on heritage lines. I can’t imagine there is much money to be made supplying parts for them. It certainly doesn’t seem worth the effort of transporting 5 units from one end of the country to the other, as well as paying people to strip them.
     
  10. M59137

    M59137 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2009
    Messages:
    1,093
    Likes Received:
    1,224
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Carriage & Wagon
    Location:
    Sheringham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I can't speak directly for the Pacer owners, I am a first generation DMU person myself, but if they're anything like us, then yes there will be a market for Pacer parts. Any railway who thinks that a 35 year old pacer in fully working order is going to stay like that for long is being very naive.

    It is quite possible that the Pacers sold to the scrapyards have destruction orders on them, so if you are railway X with your new pacer, you can't do what the first generation owners did and pull a load of spares off vehicles sat in scrapyards. Therefore, if the demand is there, then there "may" be a small market for a few sets to be bought whole, then broken up by a middle man in a predetermined location (I.e. not a scrapyard). This has actually been done before successfully with several first generation vehicles, so the method is proven.

    The Chasewater Railway are the only line that I know of that have bought three sets and intend to run two: the third set will give up the bits they will need to run Pacers in the future. The other railways will need to obtain spares, and soon, but I doubt that many of them will. We will be seeing dead 142's in the years to come, just like we have seen the preserved number of 141's halve. The reason only one 141 (out of the original 4 saved) has a running future, is because only one group seriously acquired any suitable spares. You can manufacture the majority of a steam engine, but in the world of DMUs, spares are the KEY to long term survival!

    Sent from my HTC U Play using Tapatalk
     
    Bluenosejohn and Matt37401 like this.
  11. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2014
    Messages:
    8,973
    Likes Received:
    4,800
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    31A
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I might be wrong but didn't the 50 Alliance
    1. Have a go through all the operation Collingwood 50's before they went for scrap.
    2. Do the same with the Portuguese 50's when they went?
    Basically you get as many spares as you can get right now rather than have to make them yourselves later.
     
  12. D1039

    D1039 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2007
    Messages:
    2,913
    Likes Received:
    1,612
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    North Somerset
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    The 142s and 150s share Voith T211r transmissions, both have Cummins engines (different models). Some parts interchangeability?

    Patrick
     
  13. Ploughman

    Ploughman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    4,938
    Likes Received:
    1,926
    Occupation:
    Ex a lot of things.
    Location:
    Near where the 3 Ridings meet
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Which is what we have done with spare parts for our tampers.
    Get what you can while you can.
     
    Bluenosejohn and Matt37401 like this.
  14. Robin

    Robin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2012
    Messages:
    935
    Likes Received:
    1,008
    Location:
    Stourbridge
    Wenlock and torgormaig like this.
  15. Victor

    Victor Part of the furniture Friend

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2006
    Messages:
    12,213
    Likes Received:
    5,441
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    DEWSBURY West Yorkshire
    A paragraph lifted from the YP report:-
    Northern are paying a storage fee to the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway, who will keep the units on their preserved track near Keighley Station until they can return to mainline service.

    Please, please, somebody tell me the damn things are NOT coming back to mainline service.
     
  16. 35B

    35B Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2011
    Messages:
    13,958
    Likes Received:
    11,137
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Grantham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Depends how long lockdown lasts...
     
  17. 60017

    60017 Part of the furniture Friend

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2008
    Messages:
    8,022
    Likes Received:
    5,684
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired from corporate slavery :o)
    Location:
    Fylde Coast
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I wouldn't put money on their windows surviving intact for long!
     
  18. Monkey Magic

    Monkey Magic Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2018
    Messages:
    2,143
    Likes Received:
    4,526
    Location:
    Here, there, everywhere
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Almost a linear scrapyard.

    I wonder if anyone has ever considered trying to see what might work from a CFR Class 60. Considering over 1400 of them were built there should be plenty for spares. I don't know what if anything they share with BR Sulzers.

    https://www.derbysulzers.com/cfr2100.html
     
  19. D1039

    D1039 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 25, 2007
    Messages:
    2,913
    Likes Received:
    1,612
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    North Somerset
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    The WLA made full use of the scrapline in the 1970s. Tales abound of the spares that found their way out of Swindon.

    Patrick
     
  20. Fred Kerr

    Fred Kerr Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2006
    Messages:
    6,682
    Likes Received:
    3,521
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Freelance photo - journalist
    Location:
    Southport
    I recall HST power cars being stored on the WSR shortly before being bought by First Group; IIRC they were from the Virgin Trains fleet and were some released by the introduction of Pendelinos and Voyagers. Heritage lines have a lot to offer - especially when many volunteers hold positions of influence within the privatised companies.
     
    Wenlock likes this.

Share This Page