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Pacer 142001.

Discussion in 'Diesel & Electric Traction' started by 50044 Exeter, Aug 21, 2018.

  1. 50044 Exeter

    50044 Exeter New Member

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    when withdrawn in 2019, his unit will be preserved at the NRM, what are your thoughts on this when other stock wasn't wanted and was placed elsewhere. Would you want a Paccer at the NRM?
     
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    hardly surprising is it those in charge lost the plot ages ago
     
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    Care to tell us where this information has come from? Have the NRM requested it or is it being presented to them by its current owners?

    Peter
     
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    The railway heritage committee have registered it to be saved but ASFAIK not specifically to go to York, I'd be surprised if it did it is a working two car unit and it would be us less if the set is split, I reckon it'll go to a pres line somewhere
     
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    If you think about it the remit of the NRM means it is telling an ever evolving story. It’s not set in a particular time period so as the story evolves, so does the collection. Unfortunately the storage space doesn’t evolve at the same rate so you end up in these situations.

    Is a pacer worthy of the National collection? Absolutely given it’s remit! Does it lessen the importantance of other exhibits? Arguably not but you are back to the issue of storage space.
     
  6. Imagine if in 1927 the SLS had gone "B1 class? Nah we don't like it. Not worth saving" and so no LBSCR tender loco at all had been preserved.

    I despair at 'enthusiasts' whose attitude is "I don't happen to like it, therefore it has no merit whatsoever."
     
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    Hence the view of many that "enthusiasts" are the last group to ask if looking at railways in an historical context / timeline.
     
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    Yes, I would want a Pacer in the National Collection. They have an important place in British railway history, both in their service and as a demonstration of the consequences of buying cheap when the world changes.

    However, and please note, I want A Pacer, not one of each class/livery/seating arrangement/whatever.


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    Have it outside, strategically positioned at an overgrown, weed strewn track and platform adorned with a draughty, graffitied 'bus' shelter - to represent the glory days of British Rail.
     
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    The Saggin' Dragon Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Next to an empty overgrown weed strewn trackless trackbed and platform to show what the alternative was :)
     
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    For me it's in the same category as the Q1.

    When the last 142/3/4 and 150 has bitten the dust, I wonder what is next for the part of the market those types have served.
     
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    They were near-ubiquitous in certain areas, they help tell the story of the decline of British Rail and privatisation, they're a key part of British Railway history. Absolutely one should be preserved.

    I'm damned if I'm paying to take the kids for a ride on one as a fun day out though.
     
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    Yes, I am glad they're going to set one aside for the national collection in order for it to be interpreted. The Pacer is an oddity as on paper they were uncomfortable, awful made with common components and perhaps the extreme end of the development of a railbus concept.

    They also became stalwarts, taking on traffic and routes they were not really originally designed for. Going from being, on paper, replacements for lightly used branchlines to the mainstay of moving people about across the north of England between major cities.

    Well, we sort of know for Wales. The 150's along the Conwy Valley are being replaced with the 230's with Sprinters and Turbostars taking over from the 142's elsewhere.

    It's almost like they've done their job too well...
     
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    I read it in the latest issue of Rail magazine.
     
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    Also I wonder if 58050 will come home to the UK? It was set aside by the then heritage committee for future preservation. ...Last diesel built by BR... But still dumped in Spain...
     
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    I thought it had already come back from Spain , had a lick of paint then it went back off to France and was in store with x amount of others in the open somewhere
     
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    Pleased to see 142001 enter their collection.

    Provided the recipient and the deal is right, there's also no reason why it can't be outstationed somewhere else and be successful, if storage at York is an issue.

    The NRM's class 101 set has been preserved for nearly 15 years now and hasn't spent a day at York. It also probably has one of the highest annual mileages of an NRM asset, and thousands of passengers each year get to enjoy it in the process. I'm not debating the usefulness (or not) of a pacer on a heritage railway.... just pointing out that the NRM has a good loan system in place for many of it's items, in the case of the 101 I believe both parties are happy with the arrangement in place.

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