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P2 Locomotive Company and related matters

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by class8mikado, Sep 13, 2013.

  1. torgormaig

    torgormaig Part of the furniture Friend

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    9Fs are not the biggest locos to run on BR by any length. You could turn them on a 60ft turntable, as at Bath Green Park, where as the large Pacifics such as Merchants, Duchesses and the various LNER ones needed a 65ft, if not a 70ft table to turn on.

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  2. Richard Roper

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    Yes, I'm thinking of the longest Loco to visit the KWVR though... I'd say the 9F was the longest. City of Wells obviously managed to fit in the Oxenhope headshunt too, but there hasn't been a Duchess or Merchant Navy up the branch.
    Having thought about it more, I wonder how the P2 will cope with things such as passing loops, which tend to have fairly sharp curves (Thinking of Damems Loop, which also has a curving approach from the south).

    Richard.
     
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    92134 has been turned on Pickering‘s 60 ft table. It has a shorter wheelbase than S15 825.
     
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    Is 825 running with the bogie tender? I guess the shorter wheelbase of the BR1 Tender will help a lot there...?

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    Duchess of Sutherland on Yeovil's 70' 'Table a few years ago. Picture from http://www.yeovilrailway.freeservers.com/130808.html website, hope it's OK to include this. If I recall correctly, a fencepost or something had to be removed as the buffers fouled it.
    6233 Yeovil.jpg
    Richard.
     
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    The LMS Princess Royal's are a tad longer than the LMS Coronation's: by 9'' on the engine wheelbase ( 37'9'' to 37'0 0 ) and by 6'' across the entire wheelbase ( 74'4 1/4'' to 73'10 1/4'' ) from the LMS weight diagram. The Princess Royal's are wider as well ( 9' 0'' to 8' 11 3/8'' ).
     
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    Don’t they use an ‘outrigger’ for use at Barrow Hill? For stuff that’s bigger than the turntable like Peaks and Jubilee’s? It’s not something I’ve seen used in anger.
     
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  8. class8mikado

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    A 9f has a long coupled wheelbase but is not big, a Brit is bigger
     
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    I apologize to everyone joining this thread just now, it appears we've fallen into the depths that is age old argument of 'mine's bigger then yours' debate... what have I done...
     
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    All had been converted to the A4 style front end by the time they were repainted into black in late 1941, according to Yeadon. As such, 2007 can only realistically carry LNER Green; the 'Doncaster P2' could carry either green or black.
     
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    It can be painted purple with yellow spots - it's another loco, not a replica. ;)
     
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    So to answer @Richard Roper's question about the longest locos to run on the KWVR, the 9F is beaten by both Britannias and Sir Lamiel which have visited at some time over the years.

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    This was always a problem with turning locos which are a tight fit on turntables. At Bath, 9Fs and Bulleids would easily foul the buffers of any vehicle parked too close to the 60ft table there.

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    Doesn't that apply to all Turntables?
     
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    Not if your loco comfortably fits within the diameter of the table. The problem occurs with extreme overhangs especially in congested depots at busy times.

    Sorry, I fear we have another P2 thread drift here

    Peter
     
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    Only if the loco is longer than the turntable - not much problem of clashing if you turn an LNER Y8 on a 70ft turntable!

    Tom
     
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    Remember the NYMR have a resident 9F!!!
     
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    ....which is their second resident 9F, not to mention 922220 as an unexpectedly long term visitor beforehand...
     
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    Thank You Peter, I stand corrected! How the Hell could I forget that 70013 had visited?!

    Anyway, back to the P2!

    Richard. :)
     
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    60103. ? I have seen
    a picture of 71000 at Howarth.... But I think it was just a brief visit. But the
    real heavies have not been there and I can't imagine aP2doing so. A V4maybe...
     
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