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Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by RalphW, Aug 1, 2009.

  1. RalphW

    RalphW Part of the furniture Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    As it's a WCRC operation then there is only the driver who is WCRC, the fireman is will be a WCRC certified man but not a qualified driver, so yes there will have been a second man to do the diesel driving bits. He will also probably be the one who brought the stock down from Carnforth in the morning. I would guess that although he has not been doing much during the day, his hours would be up and he would not be able to do the stock return movement.
     
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    I was told that this train did not go into Llandudno as originally planned, anyone know why??
     
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    The train was too long to clear the track circuits in Llandudno
     
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    Hi guys,

    Just the 1 picture from yesterday. 6233 Duchess of Sutherland seen passing pass Conwy Castle en route to Holyhead. Many thanks to acw71000 for the directions. :)
     
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    Right thanks, so that explains the early departures from Llandudno Junction.
     
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    The addition of the diesel at the rear of the train had made the train too long to fit within the track circuit at LlandudnoTown, a coach should have been detached from the formation in lieu of the diesel that had been added, to keep the train witihn operational length. However all the coaches were more or less full. Numerous seats had been sold from Llandudno Town to Holyhead, the trip having been advertised in the resort judging by the numbers that arrived on the service train from Llandudno Town at Llandudno Junction, onto which passengers had been put. On the return the charter left Holyhead 10 mins early because there was only a 3 minute connection at Llandudno Junction into the last train of the day to Llandudno Town. Once the passengers for Chester / Liverpool had arrived from Llandudno Town at Llandudno Junction the charter was allowed to leave 25 mins early but still managed to arrive back at Liverpool LIme Street 14 mins late! Maybe this problem will not recur in future weeks as this train contained a party on RTC''s "Snowdonia & Northern Fellls" 5 day holiday based in Chester and North Wales who filled one coach.

    Given it wasn't now required to go to LlandudnoTown the cl 47 [245] was switched off for the return journey. I have to say what a magnificent performance the Duchess put in with a load of some 570 -580 tons behind it.
     
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    6.05 special, As the train passed me outside Warrington heading south, I'm not sure if the diesel was running then. Listen on my video at about 1.12 as it comes past. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrAC1vXu9bs
    On the return you had to follow the hourly Chester to Warrington service train so that cut down the early running considerably.
     
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    Re: Classic Conwy Castle photo position

    That trackside vegetation is slowly strangling this classic shot. Is there not anyone out there who can pull a few strings (or perhaps cross a few palms) to get some serious gardening organised here?
     
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    Woulden't normally harp on about a photting viewpointbut Conway is a classic, i wonder if it's beyond reason to ask someone at Network Rail to send someone with PTS there with a pair of bushcutters during the next P-way possesion if photters were willing to contribute to the cost of doing so ?.
     
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    Yes the diesel was left idling on the outward run because it was fully expected at that stage to have to haul the train out og Llandudno Town. It was apparently only as the train approached Llandudno Junction from Chester that Network Ral realised it was too long. It was for the return journey that the diesel was shut down. However the diesel did nothing on the outward leg, there were 4 spectacular bouts of slipping on leaving Liverpool with driver Bill Andrew in charge. Sounded brilliant, just like duchesses departing for London with a heavy train 50 yars ago. The late return was caused by an unnecessary hold up between Walton Old Jn and Warrington Bank Quay when we were held for over 15 minutes for a Pendolino to arrive from the South. We were then routed fast line to Winwick Junction.
     
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    Perhaps I'm being stupid. I can see the need for the diesel at Lime Street before and after. If the NWCE is not going into Llandudno, ther diesel is superfluous. There is plenty time in Holyhead for the steam loco to shunt for itself and not add too much time. So why not run without the diesel and leave it where it really is needed?
     
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    Well it was booked to run to Llandudno, and it was not until they were underway (evidently) that Network Rail said no...

    Time or not at Holyhead, a loco to do the shunt just makes life a little easier...
     
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    Keep in mind you'd need the extra paths in and out of Lime St to attach and detach the Diesel there, less than ideal at such a location.
     
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    By the time the loco has gone to Valley to turn, water and be serviced and got back, there isnt much time at all
     
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    Video from 16th now up..

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    Such a pity that at the first location there is no going away shot as the sound carried on the same for a further minute before fading away.
    They delay on the return meant that I did not get anything as I was at an unlit location, and when 6201 eventually arrived some 45 minutes down it was in total darkness. Glad to find out afterwards that the late running was nothing to do with 6201...
     
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    Hi,

    1 picture from yesterday. 6201 Princess Elizabeth seen going over the Shropshire Union canal at Chester locks. The sun emerging at just the right time.
     

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    Tomorrow's trip with 6233 from Liverpool to Holyhead will be the last one for the Railway Touring Company as the trip on the 30th with 60009 has been cancelled.

    Read somewhere that RTC will be looking carefully as to whether to run these next year as they have been 'poorly' attended this year.
     

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