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Lynton and Barnstaple - Operations and Development

Discussion in 'Narrow Gauge Railways' started by Old Kent Biker, Jan 26, 2016.

  1. Robin Moira White

    Robin Moira White Nat Pres stalwart

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    An alternative analysis is possible.

    At the moment the L&B runs from nowhere to nowhere (but ever so delightfully) over a mile in the middle of nowhere, affecting no-one in particular.

    The present application marks the point where it steps up to a line from sort of somewhere via somewhere, and certainly raises the real prospect of, in time, running from somewhere to somewhere in quite a significant and useful manner.

    Perhaps the view might have been taken that marking that change needs a more substantial enquiry, and, blessed with the principle endorsement that an enquiry can bestow, the L&B's wake from sleep can then be accepted as a public good, leaving future extension applications to focus on practicalities and any real local difficulties, rather than principle.

    I did listen to the planning meeting recording (while ironing) a couple of days ago. The objections are really based on fear and exaggerated concern about the effect of the potential nearby railway. I do think that a visit over the hill to West Somerset might help, but folks do get very 'dug in' to their positions.

    On to Barnstaple!

    Robin
     
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    Apologies - that is indeed the case!

    Mike
     
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    Ah, well that's fair enough then, no harm done.
    Nice of you to apologise.
     
  4. Felix Holt

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    Well, my grapevine says something quite different from Charobin's. It says the ENPA will not be calling in the application, but will support it with a set of conditions. Whether this is approved at the next meeting, or not until the Autumn, we'll have to see.
     
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    If your grapevine in Sweden is mearly asking the trustees then, with respect, until not long ago some of them were confidently stating the planning applications would be decided under delegated powers and not even going before the planning committee. Additionally ENPA does not make the decision to call an application in - the Secretary of State does.

    Time will tell, it always does - just like with choosing the Pope!
     
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    :Morewaitingisrequired: time for a:Caffeinefix:
     
  7. Felix Holt

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    No - I didn't ask any trustees, so I guess my sources are as likely as your mysterious ones to be correct....
    Some might say that a certain obvious antipathy to the L&B might have coloured your musings .... :Angelic:
     
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    I would be surprised if this were called in. The SofS usually tries to avoid call-ins unless there is some matter of national significance at stake. There isn't here; the environmental issues are local although the economic development implications could be regarded as having an impact outside the national park.
     
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    That's the wrong way round Felix. It is for the ENPA to determine the application unless the Sof S calls it in.
     
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    Wasn't the WHR called in by the SoS? Or at least the SoS had to intervene
     
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    That was less a planning issue and more deciding which of the rival bids for the line/company was to go ahead, if I remember correctly.
     
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    The Transport & Works Act order was made by the Secretary of State for Transport, following a public inquiry (and a High Court case). L&B will, if they first get planning permission, then also require a TWAO but I hope the issues are somewhat less complex.
     
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    It was actually to overturn the results of the public enquiry which had found in favour of the WHR64co/WHHR.
     
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    Out of curiosity, and given some of the speculation on other threads, is there any kind of vision for the completed railway.

    Will it be with exclusively replica L&B stock or will there be more modern/larger equiptment?
     
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    Yes, a wise decision I'm sure you agree :) . The WHR then had to face a second public inquiry for the TWAO.
     
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    The concept as (or the last time I was told) I understand it is this, it is to have a complete set of carriages in heritage independent livery and a more modern day set in SR livery, take this how you want, but for that to happen we shall need something like 32 carriages in total, there is a discussion to build four Manning Wardle locos and of course Lyn is well under construction which we hope to have in steam at Woody Bay this time next year.

    AFAIK the current loco stock is not going anywhere else.

    please see this http://www.lynton-rail.co.uk/page/our-plans-rebuild-line-between-lynton-barnstaple
     
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    Hi Charobin

    I sent you a private message a few days ago. Could you reply?
    Thanks
     
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    Charobin, "The Grapevine" is a notoriously unreliable source - nearly as capricious as "The Internet". Unless you can identify a reliable source, it is probably not worth reporting here. The Secretary of State normally only "calls in" such applications if they conflict with national policy, or are of national significance, neither of which is the case with the L&B's reinstatement. This is truly a local issue.

    The latest from ENPA is that a decision is to be expected sometime around September. Until then, we will just have to wait patiently...
     
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    Well we can only hope all goes smoothly with the application, it was perhaps to be expected they'd need time to go through this complex application.

    Having thought on these plans though, it's got me curious as to what sources will the railway go to in order to raise the money for the expansion once the applications are through?

    I know it's something that won't be properly looked at until actual approval is given, but is there a rough idea of what directions they'll go? It's a lot of money to get the project kickstarted after all, so it can't really be done by normal means of rattling tins at passersby.
     
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    I imagine that the powers that be have some sources in mind, and may have even held initial discussions with them. I don't think they would reveal these sources at present due to the possibility of being gazumped by another project.


    Keith
     
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