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Liveries!

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by 61624, Jan 17, 2018.

  1. tony51

    tony51 New Member

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    It is obviously best to keep pre-grouping locomotives hidden well away from any railways. Unfortunately, now that the location of this loco in its beautiful livery has been exposed here, someone will inevitably be along with a can of BR black paint to make it look like everything else.
     
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    Like 8572, the Y14, Caley's 828 and 419 I could go on...
     
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    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

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    Or 263, 65 and 178, all operational and all just itching to be let out into the sunshine :(

    Tom
     
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    Matt37401 Part of the furniture

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    I did realise someone would pull me up about the Bluebell's collection!
     
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    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

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    I'm pining for the H ...

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    Personally I don't mind these old locos having different spells in some or all of their different liveries, including BR ones e.g. 419 going from one shade of CR blue to BR black to another shade of CR blue, or the Y14 having spells in LNER black, BR black and GER blue, or 4566 having BR green, GWR green then BR black, etc. etc.

    As for a wish list, I wouldn't mind seeing a Jubilee in post-war black or a Schools in BR black (did any of the preserved ones actually use those liveries?)....
     
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    Johnb Resident of Nat Pres

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    All the Schools were in black, it was a bureaucratic error that decreed a 4-4-0 could not be classed as an express engine and only corrected when the regions were given more autonomy in 1956, one or two didn’t make it into green. I believe, of the preserved Jubilees only 5593 received the lined 1946 livery
     
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  8. tony51

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    Sorry posted by accident and don’t know how to delete it ... now I’m here I might as well say “please don’t paint any Schools class BR black ....”
     
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    Strange how they painted Hardwicke and Cornwall in BR mixed traffic black...

     
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    Why it is a livery they carried and no Schools have yet to wear it in preservation. BR lined black looks good on 4-4-0s.
     
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    And ......
    Contrasting nicely with all that polished brass and copper, it looked pretty damned good on the 'Manors' too
    ...... run!
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    Well, certainly better than that insipid green most GWR engines are painted in ;)

    Tom
     
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    That's not how you spell inspired.
     
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    Riddles' revenge, I've always thought of it :)
    And very handsome it is too, if you're going to paint them black, at least do it properly. The Crewe lining sets off a (clean!) black engine just perfectly. I presume seeing the Midland Compounds in that livery was the really satisfying thing...

    Although in fact, perhaps surprisingly, there little evidence that LNW folks were offended by their locos going into Midland red in the 1920s. Not least because they all looked pretty handsome in it (as, in my opinion, does everything!).
    Some have inferred nefarious reasons for the hiatus painting locos red at Crewe in the 1924-26 period, but it seems to have been established pretty conclusively that this was due to the major reorganisation at Crewe. In the 23-24 and 26-27 periods Crewe painted locos red with great panache.

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    I can just con myself that the lined BR livery might be the LNWR but the smoke box number plate & shed plate wreck the illusion.
     
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    What smokebox and shed plate?
     
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    I think the point being made was that if you looked at a BR loco, you could imagine it was LNWR until the smokebox number ruined that illusion, rather than the other way round.

    Personally I just avoid looking at photos of BR liveried locos as much as possible, especially the insipid green ones. :)

    Tom
     
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    Absolutely dead right about the clean

    And about "Riddles revenge" which was twigged immediately. When a run past of alternative liveries for BR was held, late in the line up came a black engine immaculate with LNWR lining. And a voice rang out: "Riddles, You B.........."

    When the LMS was formed as the similar plum and spilt milk coach liveries of the London & North Western, the Caledonian and of course the West Coast Joint Stock had not
    worn as well under WWI conditions as Mldland Lake, Midland Red was chosen as practical for carriages. Presumably the locos all became red to match the trains behind them. ( ''Lake" on the SECR, however wore so ill that there was senior concern at Ashford, leading to a careful mixing of colours so that any carriages newly painted matched what the others had bedraggled to. The Southern after the Grouping went to green.)
     
  19. tony51

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    Those locos are wonderful and exactly what I like about the Bluebell (from a distance, I actually have never been there and live 4,000 miles away). But on the other hand you are painting your current new build BR black like everything else when it should look like this ...

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    30854 Part of the furniture

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    Maybe so ..... however ..... do kindly note the cab, the most obvious target of those later modifications neccessary to meet the Southern's composite loading gauge, and (just for the record) it's often held that the Marsh 'atlantics' came through that exercise rather better than some of the butchery meted out to certain other Brighton designs.

    The Beachy Head construction pages reveal the cab to be of cussedly involved design.
     

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