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Krupp TE-class 2-8-0

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  1. BrightonBaltic

    BrightonBaltic Member

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    I've seen some photographs of these handsome locomotives on Iraqi state railways, where they appear to have been used extensively alongside Stanier 8Fs. They were reportedly built in the 1950s - but aside from that, I have been unable to ascertain anything. Can anyone here fill me in?
     
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    In respect of Krupp they built 7 locos (w/n 3585-3591) - 3 were shipped 28/8/1956, 2 on 25/9/1956 and the final two (plus a spare boiler) on 15/10/1956. They were ordered by the UK Crown Agents for Overseas Governments and Administrations on behalf of the Iraqi State Railways and were numbered 1441-1447.

    They were Standard Gauge, 2 cylinder (19¾x28") 2-8-0s relatively similar in vital statistics to the Class TD (ex-LMS 8F), so were presumably used on equivalent duties.

    No idea if others were built by other companies.

    Barry
     
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    BrightonBaltic Member

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    Right! Any idea if any are preserved? Do you know what boiler pressure they employed, or the driving wheel diameter?
     
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    huochemi Well-Known Member Friend

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    You may do better to join the Continental Railway Circle Yahoo group. Almost certainly someone will point you in the right direction.
     
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    56 1/2 inch drivers, BP 225psi - very doubtful any are preserved, if that is the right word to use for Iraq.

    Some good colour shots here :
    http://gwrarchive.org/site/sitel2pg/Iraq/sg/sg.php

    barry
     
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  6. Reading General

    Reading General Part of the furniture

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    wow check out 670328
     
  7. BrightonBaltic

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    Thanks!

    Reading General, I presume you mean the RSH Pacific? Somewhat let down by its narrow firebox and 5'9" drivers surely render its streamlining rather redundant... it'd be like streamlining a K3! Wait, didn't someone propose that at some point?!
     
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    Reading General Part of the furniture

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    still wow though....
     
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    andrewshimmin Active Member

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    Surely the barrow firebox wasn't such an issue with oil firing?
    Magnificent beasts, weren't they?
     
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    I would be absolutely delighted to discover that one of these still survives somewhere in Iraq.

    Cheers,

    Alan
     
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    BrightonBaltic Member

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    I suspect you'll wait in vain for that discovery. That said - new build, anybody?! What became of RSH's collection of drawings?
     
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    Reading General Part of the furniture

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    iasn't it amazing how few people respond to posts about foreign locos... this is one of the most interesting threads in recent times. I learnt all about the TE class never mond the streamlined thingy
     
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    torgormaig Active Member Friend

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    Perhaps that is because few people have any knowledge about the subject matter. I agree that it is a really interesting thread and I too have learned from it, but I, probably like many others reading it, have nothing to contribute as it is an area of the world I know little about railway wise.

    Peter James
     
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    Vulcan built some amazing looking locos for the Egyptians too... wonder if any of that is still around?! The 2-6-2 and 2-6-4 tanks, and the 2-6-0s, were notably good-looking.
     
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    Reading General Part of the furniture

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    amazed to hear there are still yahoo groups going.
     
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    Sadly, I believe none survive. Neither do any of the extremely handsome post-war Atlantics. There is a sectioned one from an earlier class, I think.
     
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    andrewshimmin Active Member

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    There are still steam locos going....!
     
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    Reading General Part of the furniture

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    true but which is more up to date?
     
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    Andrew, which Atlantics were those? I've not found anything on that.
     
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    Whoops - correction - the VF Egyptian locos were a kind of simplified 8F (parallel boiler etc, kind of like a Dub Dee). The 4-6-0, 2-6-2T and 2-6-4T were NBL. The 2-6-0s were mainly Armstrong Whitworth. Henschel built some, along with their own (British-outline) 2-6-2T and a small o-8-0T dock shunter. They also had some LSWR Adams 0395 0-6-0s and GCR Robinson O4 2-8-0s.
     

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