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Jubilee thread drift from WCR Santa trains.

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  1. Victor

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    IIRC it finished it's life at 55A and the men there got the best out of it right up to the end. 55A was Holbeck MPD but us young lads at the time always knew it as Nineveh/
    The routine for us when we cycled down to Leeds was #1 Copley Hill, #2 Nineveh. #3 Neville Hill

    Happy days in the long hot summers.:Happy:

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    And the longest serving Holbeck Jubilee, possibly challenged by 45573? I think it spent the whole of its post war life at Holbeck apart from a couple of years at Farnley Jct.
     
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    The real 45562. Holbeck, 6th September 1967.

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    Is that you in the pot being boiled up by the foreman?:eek:
     
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    I can’t remember seeing it on shed at 55A but the best memory I have is listening to the unmistakeable Jubilee roar as it stormed the Long Drag through Horton on the 10.17 Leeds - Carlisle in August 67. I believe the drivers thought it was a better engine than 5593 and the wrong one was preserved
     
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    History of 'Alberta'. <BJ>

    August, 1934 Built at NBL (Hyde Park). Makers Number: 24120. Lot Number: 118
    Original LMS number: 5562
    February, 1936
    Named Alberta
    October, 1948
    Renumbered 45562
    September, 1950
    Based at Leeds (Holbeck)
    January, 1957 Based at Leeds (Holbeck)
    March, 1964 Transferred to Farnley Junction
    November, 1966 Transferred to Leeds (Holbeck)
    1967 Became the last steam engine to haul the royal train in BR days, conveying the Duke of Edinburgh from York to Nidd Bridge
    October, 1967 to January ,1968 Stored at Leeds (Holbeck)
    November, 1967 Withdrawn
    February, 1968 to April, 1968 Stored at Normanton
    May, 1968 Cut up at Cashmores, Great Bridge
     
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    On 10 January 1968 I photographed 45562 inside Normanton shed in company with 45675, the latter reportedly cut-up in November 1967!
     
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    Wasn't it something to do with thinner tyres than 5593?
     
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    That has been my understanding of the choice of preserving 45593 instead of everyone's favorite, 45562. This and boiler condition were what dictated which locos survived in the mid to late 60s. I suspect that Kingfisher was passed over in favor of Bittern for the same reason. Certainly the choice of which Black 5s were preserved in late '68 was largely dependent on tyre condition. But didn't Alberta's tender go with 45593 for preservation as it was the one in better nick.

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    I believe their was a tender swap and Galatea has some motion parts from Alberta
     
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    I believe so, I believe the frames form the basis of 73096's tender? As you say it depended on the condition upon withdrawal Didn't the Bluebell go for 75027 instead of 75019 for the same sort of reason?
     
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    45593 was paired with a 3500 gall tender when withdrawn. 45562 had a 4000 gall one. A straightforward swap was done.
     
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    Must not forget the fine work done by Holbeck(always 20A to me) 5Xs /Jubs on the run to London St Pancras ,just short of 200 miles..Mostly worked by Leeds men through-out.One thing what would appear strange to todays working of trains, they only signed for main line from Kettering to St Pancras. If a diversion to the slow line was required they would need a pilotman /conductor.
     
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    Believed to be Alberta's last trip a railtour at Goose Hill Junction Normanton on 28th October 1967 02052..45562.jpg
     
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    Also "The Devonian" as far as Bristol, turn and turn about with Barrow Road Jubilees IIRC. The memory of the long gone "Drake" at Apperley Bridge on a rake of chocolate and cream coaches stands out in my memory amongst many others. I think this was unusual as anything, (including Fowler or Fairburn tanks) could haul the train from Bradford Forster Square to Leeds where the Jubilee normally took over.
     
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    I photographed 45562 at Normanton in Jan 1968. By the middle of March it had gone to Tyseley, where I again photographed it along with 45697. The two were stripped of usable parts as spares for 45593 whilst there.
     
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    Hence the story that the scrappie wasn't happy when his Jubes arrived.
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    Here's 45562 in a partially stripped state
    45562 Tyseley.jpg

    And here's 45697 next to it, also partially stripped.
    45697 Tyseley.jpg

    Not sure what eventually came off the two locos but various bits of rods and valve gear have surfaced in recent times on both 45599 & 45551. Other things, such as vac ejector and smokebox fittings have also obviously been removed. 45562's tender also survived but not sure whether that was before or after the remains went to Cashmores.

    Edited to change the first 'of' in the first line to 'off' which was the original intention. It makes a big difference to what it was meant to say.
     
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