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Help needed please Industrials to ID

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  1. neildimmer

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    Morning All



    Can anyone help me out with some industrial loco identities please, i know very little about industrial loco manufacturers

    I have some numbers/names, no locations for any of the photos for any of the 48 photos

    so any help please
    Sorry i was not very clear it is the whole collection of 48 photos that i need assistance with please

    http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify


    Many thanks



    Neil
     
  2. Bramblewick

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    In order: Port of Par Bagnall "Alfred" (photo taken at Par; loco now at Bodmin); Austerity "Cumbria" (photographed at Haverthwaite; now at Ribble); Manning Wardle "Sharpthorn" at Horsted Keynes.
     
  3. neildimmer

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    In order: Port of Par Bagnall "Alfred" (photo taken at Par; loco now at Bodmin); Austerity "Cumbria" (photographed at Haverthwaite; now at Ribble); Manning Wardle "Sharpthorn" at Horsted Keynes

    Thanks, I have added the captions for the first 2 photos, can you tell me the photo number of Sharpthorn please

    Neil
     
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    Hi Neil.

    4) Is ex-KESR No.26, later 29, which I believe was an RSH tank. It has now moved on to the GCR(N) at Ruddington, after years at Woolwich.

    5) Is KESR No.23 "Holman F Stephens" in Rolvenden yard.

    6) Is KESR No. 25 "Northiam", but taken at Loughborough on the GCR when she went there on loan.

    34) Is ex-KESR Manning Wardle "Arthur", now at the Middleton Railway, and renamed "Matthew Murray".

    35) Is an ex-KESR Manning Wardle. It is either "Rhyl" or "Dolobran". The problem is, neither had any identifying plates or marks when stored at Rolvenden, so hard to tell them apart! Anyway, she moved to Woolwich, and is now also at the GCR(N). I suspect it is Rhyl, because the rust where the nameplate would have been is shorter than the other one.

    36) Is the ex- KESR RSH Austerity 7086. It was known as "Rolvenden" when at the KESR, but after several moves, is now running as "Norman" at Embsay.

    37) I believe is ex-KESR Manning Wardle "Dolobran". See 35.

    43) Has cheered my day up no end. It is KESR no.23 "Holman F. Stephens" (minus nameplate) running just north of Rolvenden crossing. It is wonderful to see that pic in order to see the much missed Chris Mitchell driving her.
     
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    10: No.69 at Embsay
    15: Beatrice at Embsay
    24: York No.1 (aka City Link) at Embsay
    25: Slough Estates, D2203 and Class 14 at Embsay
    26: Monckton No.1 at Embsay
    27: H W Robinson at Embsay
    31: S134 Wheldale at Embsay
    32: S112 at Embsay
    39: Think it's Darfield No.1 (visiting?) at Bolton Abbey.
     
  7. Platelayer

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    #10 is Hunslet Austerity HE3785 of 1953, South Hetton No 69, at Embsay.

    #15 is Hunslet 16" HE2705 of 1945, Beatrice, at Embsay. Came to Embsay from Ackton Hall Colliery, Featherstone.

    #24 is Yorkshire Engine Company YE2474 of 1949, York No 1, at Embsay.

    #25 features three locomotives: BR Class 14 D9513 built at Swindon in 1964, BR Class 04 11103 (D2203) built by Vulcan/Drewry in 1952 for use on the Wisbech and Upwell Tramway (featuring cow catchers and side skirts) and Hudswell Clarke No 1709 of 1939, Slough Estates No 5 at Embsay.

    #26 is Hunslet Austerity HE3788 of 1953 Monckton No 1 at Embsay. Came to Embsay from North Gawber Colliery, Mapplewell, Barnsley.

    #27 is John Fowler (Leeds) Ltd No 4100003 of 1946, H W Robinson at Embsay

    #31 is Hunslet Austerity HE3168 of 1944, NCB No S134 at Embsay. Before Embsay worked at Wheldale Colliery, Castleford, last working steam loco. in Yorkshire coalield.

    #39 is Hunslet 16" HE3783 of 1953, Darfield No 1, on a demonstration goods working at Bolton Abbey.

    #44 is Hunslet Austerity HE3788 of 1953 Monckton No 1, running round at Bolton Abbey. The platelayer seen observing Monckton's progress is Charlie Boylan, if he needs identifying.
     
  8. Big Al

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    11 and 12 are, as you say, former WD198 Royal Engineer now at the IOW Steam Railway where the photos were taken. It finished its MoD life at Long Marston.
     
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    1/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-TbmptR3 = Bagnall 3058 / 1953 0-4-0ST named Alfred
    2/48 ; http://railway-photography.smugmug....com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-cZqTV4W = as above
    3/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-fL5fQjz = Hunslet 3698 / 1950 0-6-0ST named Repulse at Harthwaite on Lakeside & Haverthwaite Rly
    4/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-PqdpktN = RSH 7667 /1950 0-6-0ST ex S&L Minerals running as K&ESR No 26.
    5/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-JXp3nN6 = Hunslet 3791 /1952 0-6-0ST named Holman F. Stephens running as KESR No 23 at Rolvendon depot on K&ESR
    6/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-SjNNvwx = Hunslet 3797 / 1953 running as K&ESR No 25 Northiam
    7/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-VQzsTkd = HL3135 / 1915 stabled at Haven St [Isle of Wight Steam Rly]with ID 37 Invincible.
    8/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-gw4jJz5 = loco as above working on IoWSR service at Haven St
    9/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-V32xwfJ loco as above stabled in Haven St yard
    10/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-Hb2c4gm = Hunslet 3785 / 1953 0-6-0ST stabled at Embsay [Embsay & Bolton Abbey Rly]
    11/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-dXmMbww = hunslet 3798 / 1953 0-6-0ST as WD 198 Royal Engineer stabled at Haven St [IoWSR]
    12/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-cPhc2MM = as above
    13/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-P28fTWD = RSH 7597 0-6-0T - location uncertain but now based on Peak rail at Rowsley
    14/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-vmMhPp2/A = Hunslet 3825 / 1955 running as LNER J94 68009 - location uncertain
    15/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-bD84RvV = Hunslet 2705 / 1945 0-6-0ST named Beatrice shown at Embsay [Embsay & Bolton Abbey Rly]
    16/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-JvMDgPh = Hunslet 3794 / 1953 0-6-0ST named Cumbria shown at Haverthwaite [Lakeside & Haverthwaite Rly]
    17/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-p26WBtN = as above working train at Lakeside
    18/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-LJJcc4f = Peckett 1759 / 1928 0-4-0ST named Elizabeth shown at Cottesmore on Rutland Railway Museum
    19/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-LnbTkLH = loco as above location unknown
    20/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-Nk5ZBtZ/A = Hawthorn Leslie 3597 / 1926 0-4-0ST at Falmouth Docks - bearing name F.D.&E. Co 3 [Falmouth Docks & Engineering Co]
    21/48 : no clues
    22/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-bWzPxQC/A = Hunslet 3810 / 1954 0-60ST named Glendower located at Buckfastleigh (?) on South Devon Rly
    23/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-kg9cnK5 = Andrew Barclay 2020 / 1936 named Balmenach stabled at Boat of Garten [Strathspey Rly]
    24/48 : previously ID by other poster
    25/48 : as above
    26/48 : as above
    27/48 : as above
    28/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-Hxgq9Qj = Wigan Iron & Coal Co 0-4-0 named Lindsay built 1887 at Steamtown [Carnforth] on the shuttle service.
    29/48 : unknown fireless
    30/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-Qn4W34s = Bagnall 2682/ 1942 0-6-0ST named Princess shown at Haverthwaite on Lakeside & Haverthwaite Rly
    31/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-cWmhPg5 = Hunslet 3168 / 1944 0-6-0ST running as NCB S134 Wheldale at Embsay on Embsay & Bolton Abbey Rly
    32/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-ZMQL5Gt = Hunslet 2414 / 1942 0-6-0ST running as NCB S112 Spitfire at Embsay [E&BAR]
    33/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-5t6CRjs/A = Manning Wardle 641 / 1882 0-6-0ST No 4 Sharpthorn stored at Tenterden on the Kent & East Kent Rly
    34/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-bn36Xrx/A = Manning Wardle 1601 / 1903 Arthur 0-6-0ST stored at Middleton Railway
    35/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-Dc6XZTc/A = Manning Wardle 2009 / 1921 0-6-0ST [ex S&L Minerals 41=Rhyl] stored at North Woolwich
    36/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-KznLzrk = RSH 7086 0-6-0ST stored unknown location
    37/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-SBkvKRs = Manning Wardle 1317 / 1895 0-6-0ST [ex S&L Minerals 35 = Rhiwnant] OR Manning Wardle 1762 / 1910 0-6-0ST [ex S&L Minerals 38 = Dolobran]
    [The differences are minimal 35 has 15" x 22" cylinders; 38 = 16" x 22" cylinders; 41 has 16" x 22" cylinders]
    38/48 : no clues
    39/48 ; previously ID by other poster
    40/48 : no clues
    41/48 : no clues
    42/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-3fMm343/A = Bagnall 2994/ 1951 0-6-0ST named Vulcan working on the West Somerset Rly
    43/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-7C4PJnn = Hunslet 3791 / 1952 0-6-0ST running as Kent & East Sussex Rly No 23.
    44/48 : uncertain
    45/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-TTBBk3k = Bagnall 3058 / 1953 0-4-0ST named Alfred at Bodmin on Bodmin & Wenford Rly
    46/48 : no clue
    47/48 : no clue
    48/48 : http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/Industrial-Railways/To-Identify/i-5JTJXrr = Hunslet 3694 / 1950 0-6-0ST Whiston in NCB service

    Well that passed a couple of hours !
     
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    Locations for 13 & 14 are GCR, Loughborough, 1980's.

    No.21 is at Embsay, an Ex Stewarts and Lloyds metre gauge Pecket 0-6-0ST, works No. either 1870 or 1871. (Can't remember which one went there.) Now at the Irchester narrow gauge museum.
     
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    This was Stewarts & Lloyds no. 56, the first example of this RSH saddletank type sometimes known as the '56 class.

    This picture is at Rolvenden, in the old loop opposite the platform where the K&ESR stategic reserve was stored during the 70s & early 80s. If it is Rhyl the loco in front of it (and also in picture no. 37) must be Dolobran. The boiler and frames behind belong to USA DS238 (30070) Wainright.
     
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    46/48 I think is Bagnall 2746 'The Duke'-at peak rail? (Now at Ecclesbourne Valley?)

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    Nos. 58 &69 are one of the metre gauge Peckett 0-6-0-ST's at Irchester Museum. (They have all three)
     
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    I'm pretty sure that 34 isn't taken at Middleton, although that's where the loco has been for a long time. My money is on it being taken at Rolvenden, KESR in the siding that used to be adjacent to the platform.
     
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    Thanks for the offer Neil - but I must give others a chance as I don't want to appear too knowledgeable ! ;)
     
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    Pic 13 RSH 7597. Ex Rye House Powerstation, the same type were used at Hams Hall and Nechells
     
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    No.65 is Hunslet 2855/1943, WD 75006 seen at Orton Mere on Nene Valley.
     

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