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Help For Heroes, now 25th February 2012

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  1. Dan Hill

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    The latest Steam Railway magazine is that another railtour is being run to raise money for Help For Heroes with the 40th Anniversary of steam returning to the mainline as a theme.

    The tour runs from Paddington to Hereford with a Diesel (which may be the Royal Class 67) calling at Slough, Reading, Swindon. 6024 King Edward 1st takes over at Hereford and follows the route of 6000 King George V to Birmingham and then 60163 Tornado takes over for the run back to London.

    The tour is being planned by Steam Dreams and the A1 Trust and Jeremy Hosking have offered 60163 and 6024 for free, Network Rail have waived track fees, Bells and Two Tones are sponsoring the provison of water. The stock is hoped to be the Royal Scot set.

    Sounds like a great tour and all for a great cause as well. The Help For Heroes Tour last year with 48151 and 70013 (as 70048) raised £55,000.
     
  2. Paul42

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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 1st

    Date has been changed to the 8th October - see the Steam Dreams Website
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    Yes it would have clashed with the Train of Hope, so a very sensible move.
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    With 6024 down to do it, and it being a re-run of the 1971 return to steam with 6000, I think it would be great if 6024 could run with 6000's name and number plates, and even the bell (if a way can be found to attach it without drilling holes in unwanted places!)
    I wonder if this is already on the cards?.......
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    I know it's a long way off but already booked up and can't blooming wait, haven't been behind 6024 since she did the king circular after her overhaul back in 2002! Blooming heck!!
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    are many members on this train?
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    yes, I'm in cattle class
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    Surely there won't be many seats on this train as its going to Snow Hill. If 6024, the train and 60163 are in the platform at Snow Hill together, the max length of the train is surely no more than 8 coaches?
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    Correct CampainR, which presumably will come down to 5 vehicles, 1 kitchen car, and 2 support coaches?
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    What makes you think that this train is double-headed? I thought the plan was that 6024 would work the train Hereford-Oxford-Birmingham, then 60163 would take over for Birmingham - London. That's also what UKsteam.info is suggesting. Have I missed something?
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    Based on my run last year to Didcot with Vintage trains, we had 10 on plus POB, the Hall and Castle. Sadly I don't have an electronic copy of the Sectional Appendix to hand from my previous job to confirm platform length but I would of thought Snow Hill could handle 12 cars ok plus engine. Also isn't 6024 due to travel onto the SVR after Snow Hill with it's POB? Should be able to shunt the stock back with 60163 when she arrives on.

    Also, reading the blurb on Steam Dreams website the stock is due to be the Royal Scot set, I don't know how many were behind Brit yesterday, but one could assume, (dangerous thought this), it'll be the same set length.
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    Why two support coaches, that would be very unusual as even double heading one suffices, and it means an extra coach for passengers, a more important consideration.
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    Plus they're not double heading are they so 6024 and her (well his) support will detach at Snow Hill and 60163 and hers will then be attached.
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    I think i know what CampaignR is getting at, the Shakespeare Express is limited to load 8 as that's the maximum amount you can run round with at Snow Hill, Trains of bigger length have been accomadated previously, but have not involved a run round.

    A few years ago 60009 did Snow Hill - Paddington with a long load (well in excess of 8 anyway) the ECS was dragged in backwards from Small Heath by a 66 with No9 hanging off the back so no run round took place.
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    They don't have to be double headed for my point to apply. Unless NR will allow 60163 and support coach to be coupled up outside the starting signal and then the train to be propelled back or the train is hauled back to Tyseley which is possible I'm sure 8 is the maximum, unless P2 can take 9?

    EDIT: I think that using a diesel take the train back to Tyseley will be the most likely option and then re-engineing in the Goods lines that run between the works and the DMU sidings.
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    Steam Railway now says 6024 will run ECS to Stourbridge and 60163 with be attached there ready for the return run.
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    I have just received a brochure from Steam Dreams and it seems strange there is no mention of this tour. The brochure covers tours from Sept to Dec 2011.
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    The brochure came today and I also thought it was a bit odd that the Help For Heroes trip is not mentioned. I am going to book it up at the weekend.
     
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    Re: Help For Heroes/40th Anniversary of Mainline Steam Return Special October 8th

    It is not a Steam Dreams promoted tour, they are only acting as booking agents.
     

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