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FR & WHR & WHHR News

Discussion in 'Narrow Gauge Railways' started by AndrewT, Jul 17, 2012.

  1. Steve B

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    I'm sure that the WHR will see much more variety and heritage type running in the future (may be further into the future than many would like) but the realities at the moment are that the present service requires two locos (of Garratt type capacity) on every day the line is open. At the moment there are only two Garratts available! Not exactly the provision that you would want to run with long term. Of the Diesel standbys only one of sufficient capacity to haul a reduced WHR train is presently serviceable (and I'm not actually sure about that after it's recent misdemeanor) and that also has to cover the FR as well. The other alternative is to use FR locos double heading, which denudes the FR of suitable locos. There are two more Garratts either approaching the end of an overhaul or total rebuilding, and that will ease the burdens considerably. It seems that the aim is to concentrate on building up the fleet of both locos and carriages to robustly meet the needs of the public service, before moving into the "wouldn't it be nice" type work. The FR side of things arrived at that point some time ago, hence the heritage side of things there is much more established, but even there it tends to get brought out for special occasions, rather than for day in day out type work. There is very much a place for the "wouldn't it be nice" type operations, and the FR&WHR have shown themselves to welcome that, but priorities have to be realistically set.

    There have, of course, been some heritage operations on the WHR - the recent weekend involving Russell being one, and last summer's heritage trains with an England (Prince or Palmerston?) on short trains of heritage WHR stock running at the north end of the line. I could well see "Welsh Pony" strutting its stuff doing similar work the in the years to come - an archetypal WHR train from the 1920s!.

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    I believe repair of the second Funkey (Castell Caernarfon) is underway.
     
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    The vac gear was fitted inside the coal bunker on the drivers side. It was removed

    a) to make room for coal as it was needed for the runs to Beddgelert

    b) Russell was restored to 1906 as built condition during the last overhaul so without vac gear.

    Now things are moving ahead there will soon be carriage 42 (toast rack) back in service and a new build Pickering brake to join the WHHR air braked rake. This should provide plenty of capacity for the next outing on the RhE.
     
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    It can't be that difficult to re-fit a vacuum ejector to Russell surely - unobtrusively between the frames perhaps? That would make the loco so much more flexible in operation, and able to work FR stock without another engine providing the vacuum.
     
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    Now that relations have improved beyond expectations I think it is likely that this may well happen in the future. Even 12 months ago this did not appear as if it would have been needed. But let us not run before we have perfected walking...
     
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    Now that relations have improved beyond expectations I think it is likely that this may well happen in the future. Even 12 months ago this did not appear as if it would have been needed. But let us not run before we have perfected walking...
     
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    Looking at the WHR timetable, the "peak" starts tomorrow, with three round trips (except Fri, Sat, Sun - two round trips) until the end of August. There then follows two round trips (one from each end) every day until early October. This means that two Garratts are required in regular service.
    The first day with no service is Friday 4th October. It looks unlikely that either 87 or 130 will be in traffic before then, so the whole service will rely on 138 and 143 being in continuous use.
    With no back-up power of suitable capacity this leaves no margin for failures. The NGG16s have proved to be very reliable, but the timetable allows no down-time for maintenance.
    Does anybody know what the boiler washout frequency is for these machines?
     
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    And unless I'm mistaken, there's no diesel backup either, as the two Funkeys are out of service for different reasons, as is the smaller Garratt K1. I believe the FR copes by using a Double and a Single Fairlie, with the knock-on effect that the FR service has to be covered by smaller locomotives.
     
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    Now that relations are improving is it time to vac fit an LYD2 and unleash one? :D
     
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    Daft question.... can the LYD2 types run in multiple?
     
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    Is one of those Funkey's the one that has been shunting round Porthmadog this morning?
     
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    There's a very strict blow down regime with regular analysis of boiler water. So unless there's an issue with a locomotive, then they get washed out for annual exam and that's normally it.
     
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    Yup, just spotted Vale of Ffestiniog on the Harbour webcam
     
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    Yes, you can use the working one to tow the two broken ones.
     
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    And the other Funkey, Castell Caernarfon, is well on its way back. Various bits of bodywork were waiting to be refitted at Boston Lodge, all freshly painted (green with yellow stripe this time) when we were over there a couple of weeks back.
     
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    My pleasure. Glad you like them. They are pictures from the Friday; give me time and I'll get the rest of the weekend done.
     
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    Funkey bits showing the new livery. 493C6216-A33E-4685-B438-DFB014A744A9.jpeg
     
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    It would be great to see the Lyd2s out and about. They’re very impressive looking machines.
     

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