Flying Scotsman

Looks good, we are clearly close to a steam test perhaps in the next 8 weeks.

 

the two a4's cost nothing to bring from America,it was sponsored,please get your facts right.

 

Try reading it properly, then you may wish to retract your rather abrasive reply.....

 

It's been announced that 60103 will be visiting the NYMR in March 2016 and the Severn Valley for their Autumn Gala in September 2016.

Also a list of dates have been added for the locos test runs. 9/10 and 16/17 January at the ELR and it seems a mainline run on 23rd January.

Fingers crossed she makes those dates.

 

Terrific news that dates are able to be reasonably confidently proposed now.
As a purely personal point of view it would have been nice for ELR to get the chance to hold the launch of it cosmetically complete too rather than the undercoated version, particularly having accommodated and facilitated the protracted overhaul. Guess it just didn't fit with the other scheduling but ELR loss is definitely NYMR gain.

 

I thought it was IR doing the work in his own works - nothing to do with the ELR?


Keith

 

I actually think that initially turning her out as 502 in black is very good. It's an opportunity for something different to be seen, double chimney & 'blinkers' notwithstanding; if anything needs to be 'tweaked' then it's not the end of the world if paint gets scratched or chipped & finally there can be another 'unveiling' when she gets her coat of BR green. What's not to like?

 

I'd agree with that but the way I read it is that it will have had the numbers etc obliterated while on test. Might be my misinterpretation.
Whatever, I think ELR has earned the right to first use in its BR livery rather than another line which hasn't been involved at all with the overhaul. Personal opinion and respecting that there will be those with different views.

 

When Steam Railway launched its appeal for the Vaccum Brakes to be reinstated weren't visits to the SVR and NYMR promised as part of it so Scotsman could haul their teaks.

 

So SR has scuppered the "first out the hat" lottery that was promised for all network connected heritage lines?!.........

Just means that any line having a gala at the same time as these two will really have to up their game............ for me the NYMR is too far, and going by reports from this years SVR gala - I'm glad I stayed away - being crammed like a sardine is no fun whilst trying to enjoy a loco, and may well put folks off.........

She'll get to the MHR sooner or later, and I'll enjoy her from the best place possible - the lineside - no cramped conditions there!

 

Is BR livery loco an authentic combination with teaks? I don't know which is why I ask out of curiosity?
That aside, does that mean SR has some say in where it operates?

 

Only if the teaks are also painted in BR livery, which neither the SVR nor NYMR sets currently are. (And long may they remain that way! Personally, I'm hoping 4472 will pay return visits to these railways once she has been repainted in apple green...as she surely will be, sooner or later...)

 

Seems unlikely all the coaches were repainted before any of the locomotives...

 

Indeed, I suspect BR green and a full rake of teaks can't have been uncommon for the first few years after nationalisation.

 

Why should they? Has SR contributed financially to the overhaul, I think not so they have no say in any matter where the loco runs. That is a matter for the NRM & Riley & Son (E) Ltd to confirm with said preserved railways.

 

Quite agree. The previous post seemed to imply SR had influence because of the appeal it ran.

 

Entirely possible depending on the class of ECML Pacific that pulled it. There are well known photographs of Thompson A2/1s in the BR dark green pulling still teak liveried Gresley coaches and I suspect there must be one or two of the A4s in dark green pulling them too. There are shots of the B17s in the BR dark green pulling teaks too if you know where to look. Like anything in railway history, if you research hard enough you may find something unexpected which matches.

As for whether SR should have a say - of course they should. They contributed through its readers towards the brakes, a repaint, and also purchasing it through the nation. How much did the rest of you donate? I know I did and was (hopefully is?) a member of the 4472 Club.

Whether or not their say influences the decisions at the top is immaterial. They, like the rest of us, have a right to hold an opinion and perhaps have more of a right to sway given the financial support they've given the locomotive and the museum behind it. The final decision, as ever, lies with Paul Kirkman.

 

Acting to ensure that for the good of Preserved/ Heritage Railways 4472/60103 is able to run on these lines was a good thing, think I may have actually chucked in a bit myself, and its also right that once fitted 4472/60103 should be made available to Preserved/ Heritage Railways.
To suggest that Steam Railway can insist which Railway and when that the loco goes to is bollo.... erm 'somewhat unrealistic...'

 

That's not what I'm suggesting. Having a say is not the same as making decisions.