Dinmore Manor

Nice, I do like the colour scheme plans, black looks fantastic, but I imagine after a year it will become a bit boring, so glad it will be in green too. No plans for a gw livery? ( or was it built too late, can't remember now...)

 

Built in 1950 I believe so too late for GWR.

 

Pity, still, it hasn't/wouldn't stop some people...

 

Almost. I'm told by people who know about such things that she'll be paired with the tender off of 2807 until her own tender is ready. This apparently is of a different style and not accurate for the loco. It's all gobbledygook to me though as GW tenders are not my forte.

 

There have been a number of post 1948 built locos running in pre 1948 colours in preservation so it's not as though it hasn't been done before.

 

I thought they were only borrowing 2807's tender for steam tests, as the whole reason for going black is they are using a black tender until theirs is ready. Last time I looked, 2807's tender wasn't black

 

Out of interest, has there been any complaints about this sort of thing from the preservation community? It's not as if it's a brilliant standard!

 

I'm only going by what a couple of charter organisers said. They have cancelled their events because of the tender issue. As I said, GW tenders are not my forte so wouldn't know if they're right or wrong.

 

Livery is a funny thing. I know some people who have pilloried the GC and owners of 8624 over its red livery as "it's not accurate and misleads the public," yet happily took photographs of the Manor on named Mark Ones in spite of the latter being no more authentic than a red 8F. Their explanation was "I can correct it in Photoshop." Others take a broader outlook and are happy just to see the locos and rolling stock running. I suspect it's the same with locos built after 1948 carrying pre 1948 liveries. There will be those who like it and those who don't.

 

According to E.R. Mountford, the wartime "paint it black" era lasted until November 1956, after which green (with lining out on some classes) was resumed for passenger engines. The red background for cabside numberplates (and nameplates?) started in November 1949 and ceased on April 1952 but obviously such paint did not vanish from the plates overnight!

 

What was written in a book and what happened in real life isn't always the same. This bickering is getting all rather silly. I didn't do the event as it didn't appeal but it appealed to enough photographers to make it a success. If we're going to start scoring points regarding authenticity then there has been a lot of charters in the past that have fallen short of the mark. I proudly announced an M&GN event with a renumbered 44422 only to be told on the day that that the loco I'd chosen was right hand drive whilst 44422 was left hand drive. Did anyone complain? Not one, not even the one who pointed out my mistake. They were happy to have a day taking photographs of train in gorgeous light. I can think of a B1 + B12 event with the locos carrying liveries that were never seen together outside preservation and one carrying 1930s livery on BR stock. It was a sell out. If the photographers are happy and it's raising money for the preservation movement, does it really matter?

 

Agreed Martin but sometimes charters are done for fun and "authenticity" plays second fiddle. Then of course there's the chance to do a charter where authenticity is difficult or impossible to achieve and the rarity of the occasion takes precedence. What pleases photographers does surprise me at times. You can go to great lengths to get things "right" and then they ask to do a location that is completely out of keeping with what you're trying to achieve. At the end of the day we can only do our best under the prevailing circumstances.

 

7820 is to run this year with the tender which has been restored at the Lincolnshire Wolds Railway to eventually run with 3855. I hadn't heard about borrowing the one from 2807, but that would make sense for testing purposes if 3855's tender isn't quite ready yet.

The tender which 7820 used during its previous ticket is currently running behind 3850 at the WSR. I think that the one being restored for use with 7820 this time around came from Barry with 3850, but no doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Dave

 

And, of course, Tornado, built in the 21st century, has run in various 1950's and 60's British Railways liveries, none of which are authentic for the loco either.

 

Sounds about right to me, I didn't know where the other tenders were coming from, but I was fairly sure about 2807 and the colours of the tenders planned. To be used. I wonder what is the largest amount of different tenders used behind aa loco in preservation, as 7820 will have been hooked up to 3 by next year!

 

Actually 4! At the beginning of the last ticket, its tender (that's the one now with 3850) wasn't ready so one was hired from the SDR for a couple of years. I'm not 100% sure, but this may be the one now running behind 3803...

Dave

 

I was thinking more in terms of a single boiler ticket, makes it easier to compare, as all this tender business is very confusing! Can.anyone think of any locos hooked up to more than 3 different tenders in one ticket?