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Current and Proposed New-Builds

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by aron33, Aug 15, 2017.

  1. GWR4707

    GWR4707 Resident of Nat Pres

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    No I saw that, it was more a general comment and would take this thread off piste, I subscribe to a few magazines on various topics but SR seem to have really struggled with content during the last 12 months, much more than the other publications where the staff have really gone out to find stories, plus the Editor has gone and not been replaced.
     
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    Once the 50 tonne crane is back in service, fingers crossed! Same goes with the railmotor.
     
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    Beautiful locomotive!


    I think that a new build of this beauty would be at the top of my (present) wish list!:Happy:

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    Knut:)
     
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    MellishR Part of the furniture Friend

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    In its favour:
    yes, it is a beauty indeed,
    it represents a significant episode in British locomotive history.
    Against it:
    its major significance was Churchward's decision against compounding,
    having been built in France (?) for use in England, it does not properly represent either French or English practice.
     
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    There were also ten identical engines built for Egypt.
    You can read all about it in my new book: https://mainline-maritime.myshopify.com/products/locomotives-of-egypt
    (Sorry for shameless advertising).
     
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    No need for apologies IMHO Andrew, as the 1Bo1 sentinel locos alone merit interest in ESR in my books. In fact, I've just worked out what I'm treating myself to as a random unbirthday pezzie. :)
     
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    Is there any mention of the Locos, (Steam and Diesel) of the Middle east forces used in Egypt and North Africa?
     
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    Sorry, this book is about the locos designed for the Egyptian state railways.
    I decided not to cover the wartime locos as that is a whole other story.
    But the Egyptian locos are fascinating in their own right.
    I would suggest that Hugh Hughes "Middle East Railways" is the best starting point for the wartime locos.
     
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    There were also some all-British 4-cylinder compound 4-4-2s, such as here:

    https://www.lner.info/locos/C/c8.php

    Thanks for the heads-up. If your book has an Egyptian Atlantic on the front-cover, it's certainly a candidate for my bookshelf!
     
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    Which I have just borrowed from Hampshire Library. The Railway Collection is quite interesting, but some of it only sees daylight when Good Friday falls on a Saturday! This one was last borrowed in 2010!
    Very interesting to find out more about the fates of the Adams 'Jumbos'.
    Pat
     
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    There's a great painting of one of these NER Smith compound Atlantic locos, and some interesting info, in this excellent book by Robin Barnes with I thoroughly recommend: https://www.camdenmin.co.uk/products/from-the-files-locomotives-that-were-locomotives-that-weren-t
     
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    There's a rather nice De Glehn type 4-6-0 at Dresden. A Prussian S10, I believe. When I saw it I thought of a Castle, but better looking. (Battle bowler donned, ready for the incoming!)
    Pat
     
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    Not sure if this has been discussed on other threads but I read with interest a recent statement that the new build 5551 Patriot is to replace the original motion parts sourced from lost Jubilees with new, due to inherent risks associated with 'legacy' parts. Am I right in thinking that other mainline legacy locomotives such as Galatea, Leader, Scots Guardsman etc, all run rather well with their original rods and motion?
    I quite understand a new build wanting new parts made to known standards and lasting quality but am unsure whether similar risks apply to locos still running with 'old' motion?
    Views?
     
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    A very good point. Lets add Duchess of Sutherland, Lizzie and numerous other locos to that list.
     
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    Query: can I assume this should read Leander, or have I missed something? :Wideyed:
     
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    I don't think the problem is 'legacy parts' as such. The quote from the Patriot group says "Following discussions with PRCLT we have decided that using the legacy motion parts obtained for 5551 could have a hidden risk of failure. One of the radius rods has a previous repair that has weakened the part to the point of being unsuitable for further use. We will therefore be sourcing 2 new outside combination levers, 1 union link & 2 outside radius rods."
    I would read that quote as saying that a flaw has been found with one of the legacy parts and therefore to be on the safe side and avoid detailed examination/testing/machining/reworking of the parts it has been determined as being a cheaper (and possibly easier to certify) option to go for new. With a brand new loco I can see why that option would make sense.
     
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    I think fair points @ghost although I wasn't clear whether the group had decided that the 'legacy' coupling and connecting rod(s) from ex-Jubilees to be good for use?
     

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