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Cotswold Venturer 2nd July 2016

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by Steamage, Jun 22, 2016.

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  1. 6026 King John

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    I've been up there with 35005, 60019 and 34067 and not a diesel in sight - not even with 34067 on a grey damp day which behaved itself with Mr Churchill in control
     
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    No Sapperton no diesel. A Jub's roar should be heard for miles as it climbs up Honeybourne into Campden Tunnel on the return.
     
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  4. J Shuttleworth

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    No - the train was originally specified both ways via the Cotswold line, which is what is still happening. However, if it had been 6233, a 'prohibit' was issued at Moreton-in-Marsh in the Up direction, in which case it would have returned via Cheltenham and Sapperton.

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    I think you are mixing the vintage trains tour that was on the same day
     
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    If we take this trip as originally advertised by the RTC (and I realise that is a dangerous thing to do!), then it was always planned for a Class 7, Oliver Cromwell, on a circular route.

    The fact that WCRC has had to scramble a replacement locomotive that is only a Class 6 means that Sapperton is not possible, unassisted, or at least I would imagine that's the way NR would see it with a decent length train. It's useful to know that 6233 does not fit through Moreton one way. That kind of tells us something about Flying Scotsman as well, I guess.
     
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    I think I know what our specs say!
     
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    So why were WCR allowed to take Leander up Miles Platting with 11 on ?
     
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    Notwithstanding the "specified" route, this train was originally advertised as returning via Sapperton and Swindon. Indeed it is STILL being advertised as running this way, and this was the path shown on RTT earlier this week ! The change to a return route via Oxford must have been very late !
     
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    ........ or the advert has been wrong throughout?
     
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    Without knowing anything, the logical answer is that the moment that WCRC decided that it was going to be Galatea, they knew that Sapperton unaided was not something they wanted to do with it and so the path was tweaked to return the same way.
     
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    Mainly not yet bases are in place. West of Reading most of the "string" is now fitted.
     
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    Thanks I do want to do a final shot at Sonning before it's too late but not with that wretched Red Jubilee
     
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    Given the state 45699 was in at Barry and having languished for so long I find it sad that such rudeness gets directed towards the engine. Seeing the recent video on the Cumbrian Coast was hairs on the back f the neck stuff, a Jubilee, wound up and every beat turning into that Jubilee roar . WCRC are on the thread giving facts and members appear to counter WCRC statement, negative towards its fleet . What an ungrateful group we are
     
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    Nothing wrong with the loco it's the Mickey Mouse livery, sorry I'm just not interested.
     
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    probably wont get your final shot at Sonning then. What you going to do with your nose now you have cut it off?
     
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    We all have different ideas, for me railway preservation is about just that recreating the past. It can't be done, I know, but we can get as close as we can and a green Jubilee on a set of red Mk1 s looks the business, this one doesn't. The livery match is wrong but I would have gone for Leander and it presented in a correctly for the 1948-50 period. 5596 is back next year
     
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    No point in taking pictures which I probably won't even bother to process
     
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    Just observing that if RTT is to be believed, Galatea is currently on time and on her own today. An rare example of unassisted steam in the south but it does seem to illustrate what has been said at different times by WCRC - i.e. that if the load is a match for the loco, the route does not present a major problem gradient-wise, the train movements at the destination can be managed without a diesel and there are no stock/heating issues then the diesel stays at home. That's actually quite a list of provisos but perhaps in this new world of steam charters that is the way it has to be.

    Anyway, Worcester is clearly a destination to put in the book although there still seems to be largely a blank page for destinations south of the Thames and east of Bristol.
     
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