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Churnet Valley Railway General Discussion

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by Sheff, Dec 6, 2013.

  1. Greenway

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    Groynes are common on many beaches - longitudinal towards the sea of course. However, a river in spate, whilst quite forceful, causing erosion, is quite different to the pounding/hammering that storms inflict on English Channel beaches such as Dawlish. There have been some pretty violent storms in the Channel so far this winter and apart from three hours, either side of high water when waves have swept over the line, it seems to be standing up well to the work so far completed. ;)
     
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    There doesn't seem to be any evidence of erosion at Cheddleton though.
     
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    Indeed, but it is considered rude to be obviously taking notice ...

    (I think you mean groynes).

    Tom
     
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    I did indeed Tom. Post amended.
     
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    So apart from the missing embankment it shows just how good the 'log-jam' solution has been then ;)
     
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    The embankment has slumped but the riverbank is still there. If you want an explanation I suggest you read the Network Rail response to the planning application at Endon. It says that all foul water and drains must run away from the railway and there should not be any kind of soakaway within 30 metres of a railway boundary. At Cheddleton there is a septic tank in the cess! Right opposite the land Slip!
     
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    I bet many older railway stations have cess pit and other methods of foul water drainage. Many were built long before mains drainage reached their rural locations. In some case it still may not have arrived there just yet.
    Are there heritage lines with chemical toilets these days?
     
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    Above photo was 9 years ago looking towards the Sewage works crossing from the loco siding at Leekbrook. Amazing how its grown up so fast in 9 years.
     
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    God I remember that scene! I miss my walks with the OAP/way. What fun, and always a few french fancies to have at lunch!
     
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    Think you need to check your facts. Oakamoor was only made useable for public services in 2008 and even then was restricted to 12x days a year by HMRI/ORR due to the condition of the trackwork and the fact lots of it was sat in sand. Cauldon as per Neil's post, landslip in a locationthat had difficult access. The actual repair work wouldn't have taken too much, but getting to it was the issue and for what benefit at the time was deemed unjustifiable (and correctly so IMO plus many others).

    Very uncanny isn't it...

    Now you're being pretentious. The affects of the English Channel on the South Coast are much greater than that of the River Churnet at Cheddleton, they offer far different challenges and so different solutions can be found.

    Can you please provide your evidence of this, as this is in direct contradiction of the Ecology report completed by the Canals & River Trust? As stated, a pioneering Engineered Log Jam has been installed on the East-side embankment following successful trials in Scotland in repairing roads. This is the first time such has been attempted on a rail line, but we have to give it time for the willow to bed in and set to give the embankment strength. This hasn't been helped by excessive flood water in 2016 that caused some damage and basically reset the clock for the trial, nor by contractors working on the farmland who disturbed the ELJ last year. Further we landscaped the West-side embankment to broaden the river and reduce erosion here, all following the recommendation of the Canals & River Trust Engineers. . However with your expertise "Martin" it sounds like you could come and save us several thousands of pounds and man-hours. So please do share, I'll happily accept a pm too.

    Rather read YOUR ecology report and understand what experience you have with such projects. Your expertise sounds like it would be of real value...
     
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    More work planned on the trees at LBJ tomorrow. Please pray for good weather.
     
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    I have no expertise, just a bit of common sense. What do do the canals and River trust know about railway embankments? Why don't you seek proper professional advice? They will tell you not to discharge water anywhere near a railway embankment. From 1847 to about 1980 there was never a problem at that location until somebody thought it was a good place to build a septic tank at the top of an embankment. Read that NR response!
     
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    I think the concerns of the of the HMRI and ORR about running trains to Oakamoor would have had more to do with passenger trains running over hand points with no facing point locks or trap points on a line that never saw any maintenance once BR sold the line. As for the Cauldon line, if it was not possible to repair a simple rail buckle due to access issues the same lack of access will presumably preclude the line ever reopening.
     
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    What do Canal & Rivers Trust know about embankments that have subsided into a river, where River erosion has been confirmed? Are you really asking that question? Really?

    The septic Tank you speak of is not on top of the embankment either... It's the other side of the railway by the road where the toilet block is. Not sure if it's the desired 30m (though it won't be far off!), but no mention of foul/contaminated water was included in the Ecology report which would surely have been a giveaway if what you say is true...

    There are points on the national network that are clipped/scotched and see far greater use than what CVR would ever be able to cater. There doesn't seem to be an issue with this when it comes to Network Rail, so why would it be an issue for a preserved line at reduced speeds? Please stop trying to highlight problems / issues that are trivial / non-existent, you just sound like Mr Adams / Clog & Knocker / every other individual with an axe to grind against some of the CVR's old guard.

    Times have moved on, there is more to the CVR than just one/two individuals and there is a whole bunch of achievements & projects to celebrate and get excited for at the current time. If you moved on too maybe you'd be able to see this.
     
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    More than one person can see sense then. I am not trying to grind any axe, I am merely pointing out an obvious cause of a problem. The septic tank is in the cess and any water discharged from it has to get into the river somehow but the embankment is in the way, hence the slip. I think NR has special arrangements for redundant points on running lines but those at Oakamoor were not redundant, those handpoints were still in use until the line was lifted.
     
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    Work continues in the Leekbrook triangle to facilitate the return to Leek
     
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    I see 2 tracks over the level crossing which side is going to be used?
     
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    I thought we might go for the broad gauge option in the middle. In reality I suspect the answer is neither, as we will have to re-lay track anyway and only need a single line.
     
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