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Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by 1020 Shireman, Jul 22, 2016.

  1. Johnb

    Johnb Resident of Nat Pres

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    As originally built and rebuilt the loco was steam braked and the tender vacuum and I believe that is still the case with Clan Line and I assume 34046 is the same. There is an equalising valve to smooth out brake force between the systems and I did ask if maybe this was faulty which would allow the loco wheels to lock up. I could be totally wrong so may be someone with the necessary knowledge could enlighten us
     
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    Well I have to agree that this is a great idea and something Nat. Pres. may consider I guess.
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  3. Wayne

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    I'm afraid I'm not party to what happened. Being a West Coast working I wouldn't get any feedback. Information from WCRC or LSL will probably, and quite rightly, be quiet for a while until the reason for the flats is determined. It could be a loco fault, a crew fault or something in between. I have heard something happened on the decent of Sapperton that resulted in bad wheel flats. Bad enough that the loco had to be removed from the train. The biggest worry is if they are really bad Network Rail will not allow the loco to be moved by rail to a suitable location for the flats to be repaired. Let's hope this is not the case. LSL will want the loco back in service ASAP, particularly as its got revenue earning trips booked. Getting it to a lathe, if that's what's needed, and getting them done will be tight for its next job on the Torbay. But I'm sure there will be steam on the Torbay, because the reason I know about 34046 is I have been asked if I am available next week to move a steam loco to Bristol if another is required!
     
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    We'll Sunshine, if we think about it, a DBC style diesel shadowing the train would have:

    1. Provided the same level of insurance and rescue.
    2. Given the customers (you know, the most important people) pure steam for part of the journey.
    3. Reduced the load the loco had to drag

    Did the diesel contribute to the problem? It's an suggestion in earlier posts.

    All mechanical things break down. Look at hard shoulders on motorways. I've sat on broken down pendolinos. They don't have a box on the back as insurance. That's life!
     
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    So next time it happens and The tour operator get a big bill for delays to other services shall we tell them to send it to you
     
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    Thanks Wayne, I'd overlooked the fact that this was a WC working. Am I right in my assumption that the loco is steam braked?
     
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    And back in the real world...

    The TOC not the tour operator is liable for any claims. Any sensible business will either insure against risk of have the capital to manage the risk.

    A shadowing diesel running LE, as seems to be DBC policy, can quickly take over. In fact by the time the crew has worked out there is a problem and assistance is needed, the diesel should have caught up and may even be hooked up. The marginal impact would be minimal.
     
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    No! I like him. He brings light and shade. Vive la difference!

    We all share a passion for heritage rail though in different guises. A heritage diesel at the right time is fun. Try the Northern scheduled service up the Cumbrian Coast from Preston to Carlisle behind a 37 using MkIIs for a giggle.

    Some peoples perception of confrontation is based on others direct communication. Its an internet forum where facial expression and voice intonation is absent. Chill!
     
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    Who says you can't be an 'avid steam man' with an interest in modern traction and the current railway scene? I'm a regular poster both on here and wnxx and I don't see why anyone should have a problem with that.

    If you feel like 34098 is winding you up then use 'ignore' button on his profile.

    What if you have an interest in both steam and heritage diesels? For someone my age they both hark back to an era I'm too young to remember, so if a substitute is required something rare and historic like a Western will always beat something relatively dull and run-of-the-mill.
     
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    Do you know anything about raiway operation? The disabled train would have to be protected with detonators, the following diesel would then have to get permission to pass the signal protecting the train, hook on create a brake liase with the train crew and set off. On today's busy railway there could be a fair build up of traffic while all this goes on. DBS are obviously taking a greater risk than WCRC which is a business decision for them.
     
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    And the disabled train does not need any of those whilst they decide what to do? It's all in the margins and they are minimal.

    Broken down trains are not unusual be they 80 year old steam or new out of the box javelins. All are subject to the same procedures.
     
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    I've no idea what you mean by margins and I know they are subject to the same procedure and it's time consuming if the diesel is following one block behind
     
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    here is my short clip on the top of Sapperton, similar to others, but thought id share
     
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    Can I say that all this nonsense about what a thread is for, and whether it can include steam or diesel comments is getting in the way of important stuff like the health of Braunton.

    Any chance those involved can take their argument into a Conversation and not bore us all on here?

    (Personal comment only.)
     
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    What a "Let's wind up 34098" thread?
     
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    Been out to get another stirring spoon have you,
     
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    Takes alot to wind me up,
    I have an opinion weather its wrong or right doesn't matter,
    I'm gonna share it weather I'm accused of stirring,being negative etc,

    I'm not gonna be shouted down by the small minded who cant take critique or my stand point.
     
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    Whether! Weather is a phenomenon of nature that we get every day
     
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    My error in that case. I actually thought original vac loco (Gresley practice?), steam tender brakes. Subsequently changed to air loco in current form?
    In either configuration a failure of the proportional valve to work properly could induce the effect of the loco brakes being applied "first" instead of the whole train brake force, including rear loco.
    Uninformed speculation, apologies if unhelpful.
     
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