If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

Brit 70025.

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by buseng, Mar 28, 2014.

  1. buseng

    buseng Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2005
    Messages:
    4,799
    Likes Received:
    348
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Tilehurst, Reading, Berks.
    No not the original one unfortunately!
    In the latest SR it is mentioned that 70000 is to take on the identity of former WR Brit 70025 Western Star.
    The smoke deflectors are being replaced/modified to the later WR type with the brass rimmed hand hole cutouts type which were introduced following the 70026 accident at Milton near Didcot in 1955.
    It is taking up the new guise at the MHR Autumn Gala in October.
    The icing the cake would be for it to do a mainline run in this condition complete with a set of chocolate& cream Mk 1's & a Red Dragon headboard with either A35 or 720 reporting numbers on the smokebox.
     
  2. John Petley

    John Petley Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2007
    Messages:
    2,537
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Researcher/writer and composer of classical music
    Location:
    Between LBSCR 221 and LBSCR 227
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    As far as I'm concerned, the icing on the cake for me would be to drop this silly idea altogether. Keep 70000 as 70000. Period.
     
  3. buseng

    buseng Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2005
    Messages:
    4,799
    Likes Received:
    348
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Tilehurst, Reading, Berks.
    I assume it is only a temporary change so will revert to 70000. No harm in that, it's happened many times before.
     
  4. John Petley

    John Petley Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2007
    Messages:
    2,537
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Researcher/writer and composer of classical music
    Location:
    Between LBSCR 221 and LBSCR 227
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I hope you're right, although Bittern spent the better part of a year bearing a fictitious identity.
     
  5. Reading General

    Reading General Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2011
    Messages:
    6,081
    Likes Received:
    2,213
    What sense does this change ,make unless it was on a WR line?
     
  6. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2009
    Messages:
    16,017
    Likes Received:
    14,226
    Location:
    1016
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Owner's prerogative so why not?
     
    34098 and keith6233 like this.
  7. Southernman99

    Southernman99 New Member Friend

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    630
    Likes Received:
    198
    Whats the problem with this? There was 55 engines in this class. Only two of which survive. We've already had 70013 renamed as "The Territorial Army". I know that was done for Help for heroes and the 100th anniversary of the TA.

    Those of us of the age that never got the chance to see any of the other 53 brits have only photos and the possible renaming like 4464/60019/4492/2509, plus others. I welcome it.

    No one batted an eye lid when JH let 5029 be renamed as 5026 last year or 7828 virtually permanently running as Norton Manor?
     
  8. The Saggin' Dragon

    The Saggin' Dragon Part of the furniture Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2006
    Messages:
    15,160
    Likes Received:
    5,440
    Location:
    1012 / 60158
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Seems like a good idea to me, a bit of a change, nothing that can't be undone.
     
  9. std tank

    std tank Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2005
    Messages:
    3,447
    Likes Received:
    578
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Liverpool
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I have in front of me photos of 70000 (1964) and 70013 (1968). Neither have handrails on the smoke deflectors. Both have two Duchess type hand holes instead.
    The only Brits to have handrails on the smoke deflectors until withdrawal were: -
    70004, 14, 21, 32, 33, 42, 43, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, unless someone has a photo that says otherwise.
     
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2014
  10. std tank

    std tank Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2005
    Messages:
    3,447
    Likes Received:
    578
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Liverpool
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Just found another photo of 70000. This was taken at Carnforth in 1991, with The Duke for company. 70000 was fitted with smoke deflectors with two Duchess type hand holes. I presume that these were what it finished its BR service with.
     
  11. ADB968008

    ADB968008 Guest

    Wouldn't it need a later BR logo on the tender though ?
     
  12. oddsocks

    oddsocks Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2009
    Messages:
    1,813
    Likes Received:
    289
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired / Dodging a Coffin for as long as I can.
    Location:
    Half a mile east of Snells Nook Halt. (1883-1931)
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    std tank. That is correct, they were the deflectors it carried when purchased in 1970. A new pair were made up and fitted in the 1990's, these have handrails as per the original design.
     
  13. std tank

    std tank Member

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2005
    Messages:
    3,447
    Likes Received:
    578
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Liverpool
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    ADB968008, Yes.
     
  14. 46223

    46223 Part of the furniture Friend

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2011
    Messages:
    5,048
    Likes Received:
    3,190
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Lancs
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Agreed.
     
  15. John Petley

    John Petley Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2007
    Messages:
    2,537
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Researcher/writer and composer of classical music
    Location:
    Between LBSCR 221 and LBSCR 227
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Well OK. I'm obviously not in a majority here, but my point is that we should be very grateful for the considerable number of steam engines that did survive rather than messing around with an engine trying to pretend that it's one that didn't. It may be numbered 70025, but the bottom line is that it's really Britannia.

    Also, it may cost a fairly minimal amount to make new smoke deflectors and a new smokebox number (especially if you're Jeremy Hosking), but I'm sure that those groups trying to restore a Barry wreck would far rather see the money donated to find the fabrication of a few small pieces that would help return their engine to steam - a far better use of cash. However, I do agree that it's the owners's prerogative, and although running an engine with a fictitious number will always act as a deterrent for me, it looks like the MHR may not lose that much custom, judging by other comments on this thread.

    I wouldn't say that it was the determining factor, but when I weighed the various plus and minus points about that particular WSR gala and thus whether to pay a visit, the renumbering of 5029 was definitely a minus.
     
  16. John Petley

    John Petley Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2007
    Messages:
    2,537
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Researcher/writer and composer of classical music
    Location:
    Between LBSCR 221 and LBSCR 227
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Removed. Duplicate post
     
  17. david1984

    david1984 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2005
    Messages:
    12,916
    Likes Received:
    1,386
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Birmingham
    Agreed, hardly taking a new identity permanently like 92214 seems to be, someone mentioned Bittern running as Dominion of New Zealand, yet here it is again as Bittern once more, so what's the issue ?.
     
  18. 46236

    46236 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2005
    Messages:
    1,409
    Likes Received:
    248
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    lord of the manor
    Location:
    city of gold
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    is this the APRIL edition
     
  19. Kje7812

    Kje7812 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2010
    Messages:
    2,005
    Likes Received:
    455
    Location:
    Kidderminster/ Edinburgh
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    That's what I was thinking and as it is the latest, it does cover April 1st....
     
  20. hicks1986

    hicks1986 New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2012
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    2
    I think temporary changes of identity for galas and other special events are a good thing, 76084 running as it's Norwich based sister 76o34 at the recent NNR gala seemed quite appropriate. I have nothing against locomotives swapping identities for a short time.
     

Share This Page