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Brighton Atlantic: 32424 Beachy Head

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Maunsell man, Oct 20, 2009.

  1. Eightpot

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    The route from Claydon LNE Junction to Bletchley appears to be disused, overgrown with weeds, and in places the 'metal fairies' have been at work. As I understand it trains will not be stopping at Quainton Road, and possibly Calvert and Verney Junction(?) either. Winslow only is a possibility, so not a great deal of potential traffic.
     
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  2. S.A.C. Martin

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    Meanwhile, the locomotive continues to get a bit more work on it day by day. Really looked the part on Monday when I popped by to help out with '28.

    Let's put the whole thing to bed, right now, mind, for the benefit of that gentlemen whose name I forget (and ignore mostly):

    Why Beachy Head was chosen to be built
    • the railway missed out on saving the original
    • enough people wanted it enough, to then put money in
    • a similar boiler existed still which could reduce costs dramatically
    • wheelsets from a similar tender also existed
    • a group of like minded folk had the guts, experience and knowledge to have a go
    Why it made commercial sense to build it
    • it adds a unique selling point to the railway - no other atlantics of any form running today on any other UK standard gauge railway
    • it has enough power in reserve for all of the bluebell's trains including the heavier and carefully scheduled Golden Arrow dining trains
    • it was a class seen on the line throughout the history of the line and there are photographs of beachy head on the line, thereby adding authenticity to owning one (no amount of protestations of "how often" can deny this: it is factual. Get over it)
    • enough people are dedicated enough to donate money regularly and also their time and experience too
    The advantages of finishing it
    • recycling bits and using components that otherwise would have been scrapped (boiler, tender wheels) - reduces total costs
    • drawings for most of it and its origins (LNER C1s) still exist and this has improved the potential for finishing the project
    • some bluebell locos are going out of traffic soon and it will fill a gap in the operational fleet
    Nobody will, happily, remember any of the usual complaints when the loco is complete and in traffic.

    The wider points about the financial viability of railways and locomotive groups are worthy points, however I think it's Chris Price's words in Steam Railway this month that matter more than the usual sniping at the one locomotive group out there doing a fantastic job of making something useable through good honest recycling and excellent design and research and engineering excellence.

    Are we done with that? Good. Carry on.
     
  3. S.A.C. Martin

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    Hi Ross,

    I had a similar discussion with some city transport planners recently and their views were illuminating. The whole thing actually rests on the power used, carbon emissions and number of people moved these days. Buses by far complete and move more people than rail (look at the 2018 Transport statistics from DfT) but that gap is decreasing as rail ridership is increasing across the UK (increased 250% in a decade).

    Both railways and bus companies are heavily constrained by the capacity of their actual routes. Buses are more constrained in cities by single occupancy vehicles taking up the same road space (despite bus lanes). It is interesting that in most major cities in Europe, trams have largely returned but buses are the poor relative.

    The conclusion I drew from the dicussion was that the tram networks were superior for one reason and one reason only - they were given right of way and their routes designed to minimise any potential for congestion. Buses have to like it and lump it with roads.

    Obviously where the Bluebell is concerned, a bus route would have to cover many, many more miles than the railway to achieve the same thing - and you have to be sure the routes are clear too. Your assertion that it would be cheaper is perhaps correct at the base level of costs to run, as you say - but convenience of the route, amount of time taken to travel, and where the passenger is going is actually why longer distance bus routes in some towns and villages are disappearing.

    The ridership prefers to have personal cars to taking buses on longer journeys. Train journeys are normally more direct and longer distance (hence why buses took more people on shorter journeys, and trains took less people on far longer distances, in the last year).

    As with everything, "it depends!"
     
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    This was never the place to be discussing this, more apologies to the folk who are actually trying to follow 32424, my original comment was a tongue in cheek response to a tongue in cheek comment. I'm well aware that without the Bluebell Railway existing, there would be little reason to venture into that part of Sussex at all-how many people visit Newick in a year, or Barcombe...?

    However, I appreciate the message of optimism in your informed post. Perhaps this debate could be continued elsewhere.

    Back to Beachy Head, which never had a train service, merely the bus from Seaford to Eastbourne....
     
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    Much as I respect the decision of those who founded the project to call the loco “Beachy Head” (and it will have actual original components from that loco incorporated in the build), I still partly wish it had been named “Seven Sisters”, which not only would preserve the tradition of naming the class after prominent coastal features, but would be a quiet acknowledgement of the loco being the seventh in the class.

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    Tom
     
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    Nice idea - what is incorporated from the original?
     
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    Better than Walthamstow Central I guess.:eek:
     
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    I think one of the original components is the regulator handle. I'm sure there is something else but can't remember of the top of my head.
     
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    " Train journeys are normally more direct" is only true if your journey starts and ends near stations and does not involve much too many changes. In the case of someone like myself living in Essex it can take over an hour to reach mainline London stations such as Paddington or Euston before I even start the main part of the journey west or north.
    Even commuting to work (a 12 mile journey) takes 60 min by train (with 3 changes) plus a 30 min walk. So I drive and that only takes 30 min. I will also point out that the train journey is probably more like 20 miles by the time I've reached a connection to get me onto the DLR and back eastward to the Royal Docks area.
    My first preference is to use public transport, but as you say, "it depends".

    PS. We seem to have wandered rather far off topic, so please pardon me for adding to that.
     
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    While I think that there are undoubtedly various issues with the choice of Beachy Head, firstly the avalibility of a boiler undoubtedly made it a much more viable project that (insert loco of choice)

    Secondly, and I say this from both the enthusiast & non enthusiast viewpoint, having no particular knowledge of railways in that part of the world, fascinating though they seem, it has a massive 'Wow' factor. I cant imagine that almost any of the non enthusiast travelling public wont at least feel that it looks like a rather marvelous recreation of the past
     
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    Absolutely right to pull me up on that - I should have clarified I was talking more long distance travel compared to short distance with buses - yes, it probably is a topic all of its own! :)
     
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    Or Stratford Broadway. :D
     
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    Just think back to the hoo-hah a few years back about Flying Scotsman's livery, the smoke deflectors and double chimney. All forgotten now - the main thing is that we have a working A3. It will be just the same when Beachy Head is completed.
     
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    Thanks for that Tom, spent many a happy holiday around there:).......7 Sisters, nice one !!!! from a Sussex boy.
    Don't think Cuckmere Haven is a name that would have worked though :Saywhat:.
     
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    Did you mean to say some more than you had said last night in #1394?
     
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    No, it was a senior moment involving lack of IT experience :( I would just mention that Cuckmere Haven is very picturesque, but if I recall correctly requires a lot of walking, not to mention having to top and tail in a caravan wiv me brother and sisters.
     

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