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Brighton Atlantic: 32424 Beachy Head

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Maunsell man, Oct 20, 2009.

  1. 30854

    30854 Resident of Nat Pres

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    In fairness to the 82045 seekers, could Beachy Head be discussed on it's own thread please?... there's already been one hijacking on this thread this week... I know 'cos I was one of the offenders!!
    http://national-preservation.com/threads/32424-beachy-head.29160/
     
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    No because as I understand it, 32424's livery will be lined black, all the pictures I've seen of it so far give a bit of a hint to this too.
     
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    Well, here we are..... Isn't this nice?
    As mentioned, Beachy Head is most definitely in lined BR livery at present. Given the sheer complexity of the composite loading gauge cab (see Bluebell pages), there'd need to be a damned good reason to recreate the original LBSC profile, which would be the only one possible if the loco were to accurately wear umber. The lack of available correct period stock (Billinton or Marsh/Panter 'Balloons' weighs against such a livery as well.

    A recreated period rake would be possible, given sufficient funding, but with considerable numbers of carriages awaiting restoration, I'd imagine priority would be given to those before embarking on any major 'Edwardian Mainline Train' project.
     
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    I haven't seen any pics of it with paint on it yet. With regard to 82045, is a projected steaming date yet in sight?
     
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    Stop thread hijacking - ask on the 82045 thread


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    Not sure where you are getting your info from, but the loco will be lined black as 32424 when it first appears, and much of the painting is already done on the under frame. The cab, which is the Maunsell style, also is already built - I know, I paid for some of it. Lots of photos on the project home page - scroll down to the November or June 2016 updates for very clear views of the livery finished in places: http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/locos/atlantic/latest.html

    Never say never about back dating to Marsh condition, but if it happens, it will be a big job - new cab, dome cover, chimney, some changes to the tender etc. If it happens at all, it would only likely occur at a heavy overhaul, and would probably require someone to sponsor the cost.

    Incidentally, trivia note: not only is back-dating non trivial, but even renaming. If you look at the lining on the splashers, it follows the contour of the name plate, and because all the names were different length, it means adding a different name will no longer match the lining. Even the bolt holes to secure the nameplate are in different places for different names so they fall conveniently within the letters.

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    This was on the 82045 thread... mods moved it and thus made a nonsense of my question!
     
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    Eeek! What happened to all the posts between January 15 2011 and last night? :confused:

    Tom
     
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    Quick...... send out a search party! :D
     
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    Isn't there also the slight issue that the atlantics (aside from 'La France'.. painted on splasher in any case) remained anonymous until Southern days? Marsh wasn't a noted fan of named locos.
     
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    Foggy childhood memories... do I recall that the laundry in Essex (or whatever/wherever it was!) yielded two Atlantic boilers? I am sure I recall seeing two kicking around SP yard (back in the days when us plebs could just wander round as we pleased!)... and I think I heard somewhere that a boiler came out of the same place and went elsewhere? Anyone know about this?
     
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    It was one of 4 boilers at the joinery works of Boulton & Paul in Maldon Essex. The other Atlantic boiler was later scrapped at Steam & Sail but the T1 boiler and an ex M&GN boiler were preserved. Hope this answers your question. Ray.
     
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    Thanks. So why was the other Atlantic boiler moved on and axed? Too far gone to restore? What's a T1?

    What/where was/is Steam & Sail anyway?
     
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    Well you could try Google although you would probably find some Yank monster locomotive - suggest you look here for what a UK locomotive that is given the T1 designation.

    http://www.semgonline.com/steam/t1class.html

    This boiler would fit a number of other southern locomotives other than the T1 or so I understand.
     
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    LSWR 0-4-4T, from the Adams era, IIRC. Search this site (and others) for extensive discussions of what might or might not be possible for this boiler! ;-)
     
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    There was a NER T1 as well, which piqued my interest... Google reveals nothing about S&S.
     
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    Sail & Steam were an engineering firm on the Essex coast - Brightlingsea, IIRC? They undertook a number of boiler overhauls and in the mid-1980s there was a 9F in their yard awaiting restoration... Not sure quite what happened to them. I think perhaps their equipment and some (most?) of the staff transferred to the NNR some years ago? Anyway, if this discussion is to continue, it probably deserves a thread of its own.
     
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    New build T1 ( Smaller version of 02 ? ) if anyone is thinking of re building a classmate for W24 would a t1 boiler fit an 02?
     
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    OK, so the second Atlantic boiler went back to Essex and was then cut up? I presume the 9F mentioned was restored, AFAIK the last one cut up was 92085 at Barry in 1980.

    Regarding (3(2))424, I must admit that (while understanding that the availability of the boiler made the loco choice inevitable), I struggle to see the rationale for having a likely-light-footed Atlantic on a steeply-graded 25mph line. It, and the Bulleids, would, I humbly suggest, be more gainfully employed on trips between E.G. and Victoria, or Ardingly and Brighton... the same also applies to the future L-class 4-6-4T that I'd give my back teeth to see! The K mogul is the most obvious choice for the next build...
     

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