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BR Locos that are still overseas

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by lynbarn, Jan 14, 2020.

  1. lynbarn

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    I know it has been sometime since a steam locos came home to the UK but I was wonderig if there are any remaining standard gauge steam locos that have been built for BR or other BR Railway companies which we don't have a copy of here in the UK?

    I am thinking along the lines of 8F's etc which have come home.
     
  2. TonyMay

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    There are plenty copies of 8Fs in Britain.
     
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    I don't think any BR built steam locos have ever been overseas. All that survive are 8Fs in Turkey and ?Iran, WD 2-10-0s in Greece and GCR 2-8-0s (3) plus a Mersey Railway 0-6-4T in Australia. Examples of all these survive here in the UK.

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    Not sure I quite understand the question.

    There are at least three ex-BR locos held in overseas museums (two A4s and a Terrier, all in North America).

    Then there are locos that themselves never ran in Britain, but are closely similar to those that did. Examples include:

    - A Couple of Beyer Peacock 2-4-0T locos in Australia similar to those that ran on the Isle of Wight
    - An ROD type 2-8-0 in Australia
    - A couple of 0-6-4T locos in Australia similar to the Mersey Rail "Cecil Raikes"
    - Two Belgian 0-6-0 closely related to Caledonian 0-6-0
    - Locos such as USA tanks, S160s, Austerity 2-10-0s etc that were widely used across Europe after the war. For example, there is a preserved 2-10-0 in the Netherlands and I believe possibly still some in scrap condition in Greece.

    I'm sure there are others. I think the ones that approach closest to your definition of "we don't have a copy here" would be the Beyer-Peacock 2-4-0T.

    Tom
     
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    Before anyone asks, the IOW asked recently about the 2-4-0Ts and received a polite decline as they are, after all, items with local significance.
     
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    There are I believe [at least one anyway] a couple of class 77 Woodhead electrics survive one here repatriated back to the UK the other in the Dutch National Railway Museum. They were in use by the Dutch Railways until the late eighties early nineties. They were the uprated version of the class 76 "Tommies", being mounted on a pair of 6 wheeled [Co-Co] rather than 4 wheeled [Bo-Bo] bogies.
     
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    The IOWSR fully expected the answer to be no. I believe it was more a case of them formally registering their interest in case anything changes in future.
     
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    Is the gas-turbine No. 18000 a contender? Sent to Europe for adhesion testing by the UIC circa 1960 and returned here some years ago.
     
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    Doubtful...given it's no longer overseas ;)
     
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    There was supposedly a batch of LSWR 395 Class 0-6-0s that were destined for WWI ROD service in the Middle East, that were lost when the ship they were on was torpedoed in the Med. On a quick scan, there seems to be no history of 5 locos of the 50 that were requisitioned, but they may well have been accounted for elsewhere.
    50 GWR Dean Goods were allegedly sent to China post WWII ... No wonder there was a revolution :)
     
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    Yes, there is a third Class 77 number 1501 in The Netherlands - this is ex E27003 Diana. E27000 Electra is at MRC Butterly and E27001 Ariadne is at Manchester Science Museum.
     
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    If we're talking Ex BR diesels then there are a few candidates likely still existing from exports of shunter from classes 03 & 08. Nothing we don't have plenty of in the UK already though.
     
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    Aren't there class 56 diesels elsewhere, and of course 86's, 87's and 92's.
     
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    During WWI, there were half a dozen or so Armstrong Goods which were lost while being shipped out to Salonika. I did read somewhere that they went down in the Channel. I don't know how true that is, but when I win the EuroMillions that's certainly where I'll start.

    I think there were a few actually left out in Salonika after the war, although I think you'd have more luck finding a Chinese Dean Goods than one of those...
     
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    from more recent movements yes. Class 58s and 37s as well although not sure of all of the latter eventually came back? Plenty of Class 66s as well :)
     
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    Of the 50 Adams Jumbos shipped to the Near / Middle East, 4 (0105, 0165, 0404, 0406) are reported to have been lost when the ss 'Arabic' was torpedoed. Burtt, Casserley and Hamilton Ellis state this, but Bradley does not mention it (as far as I can find). Does anyone have the truth about them?
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    Not much help;

    https://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?11110
     
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    Thanks for the link. Not the same ship, as the purported loss of the Adams engines was in 1918. I think the story from Burtt et al must be mistaken.
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    Check page 80 of Bradley. He gives the disposition of all fifty sold to the War Department. Included in those were 6 sold in April 1918 that include the four you mention:

    0105
    0165
    0404
    0406
    0434
    0437

    He lists those in amongst a large batch used on the "Palestine Military Railway" and then goes on to say "Of these, Nos. […] 0105, 0165, […], 0404, 0406, […], 0434, 0437 (i.e. - all the 1918 batch, plus many others) were transferred to Mesopotamia, from where only Nos. 027/30, 501 returned in August 1919"

    So it looks like of the four locos you mention, they weren't lost at sea, but their last known place was Mesopotamia (i.e. modern day Iraq) over a hundred years ago.

    Out of Burtt, Casserley and Hamilton Ellis, as far as I know, Casserley's book was an update of Burtt's. Not sure where CHE got his data from, but quite likely from Burtt as well. So I suspect that Casserley and CHE aren't independent sources, but are repeating Burtt. Where he got his data from I don't know.

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    Thanks Tom.
    Burtt's info is, I think, simply due to the fact that he was around a lot earlier than the rest. Of course, if he picked up and repeated hearsay that doesn't make it true.
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