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Baldwin "Lyn" new build.

Discussion in 'Narrow Gauge Railways' started by Meiriongwril, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. lynbarn

    lynbarn New Member

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    I am not going to say to much about this right now simply because the full story is not yet know and I would add that Mr Porta had done much more on this subject than what is currently in the public domain, I would suggest for now to lay off any speculation and let the process work itself out, plus of course there are in my opinion lots of what if's to deal with as yet, I am in contact with one of the leading expert on this subject and there is still a lot more to learn about the basic theory behind this concept, I would suggest that no one should think about spending money which may not have to be spend as yet, I am the first to admit, that I don't, at this moment in time, have an answer for you all, but first of all lets gather all the evidence and work out what to do about this before jumping the gun.
     
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    So why has a post elsewhere on this forum stated that the loco can't be used because its damaging the track and the wheels have to be re-profiled ( at some cost) to a conventional profile?
     
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    If you compare the Porta profile to the traditional profile, there is no difference of the running surface. Same slope, same fillet radius, etc. Only difference is further out, beyond where the rail contacts the wheel.
     
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    And why are you (Colin/Lynbarn) implying that you are a spokesman for the Lyn project and/or L&B?


    Keith
     
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    But it must make a difference to the L&B trackwork, otherwise they wouldn't be restricting the use of the loco and the Lyn group wouldn't be arranging for the wheels to be removed/turned to conventional profile/replaced at considerable cost.


    Keith
     
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    Well, the book clearly states that Porta's high adhesion tread profile is incorporated in the new Lyn.
    It is surprising that a problem which has so quickly manifested itself in reality was not foreseen prior to construction-but I'm afraid I have been seduced by the computer people assuring me that everything can be modelled, proved and approved straight off the screen and consequently be perfect and infallible.
     
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    im glad this issue has been mentioned on here and subsequently posted on exmoor ng,it has been common knowledge here in devon for over a week now,i tried to extract the probem with lyn from a moderator on that site who is also a director of the l&b,but the information wasnt forthcomming,unfortunately all of my posts are now checked by said moderator and if unliked they are not posted,all because i dared to make some criticisms of transparency,whilst this news has got out via a third party,i feel this sort of news should have been made public by the directors themselves,yes they posted that lyn would not be in service but no reason was given even when an overseas visitor wanted to plan his trip to the uk to see lyn in action.apparently the work could take upto 8 weeks to complete
     
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    Meatman,

    Not all of your information is correct, as Exmoor-NG, while broadly supporting the aims of the L&B Trust, and includes some directors and trustees among its membership, is entirely independent of the Trust and any other related organisation.

    None of the Exmoor-NG moderators hold any official elected or appointed position. I am the closest - I assist on a voluntary basis with management of the L&B website.

    One member of Exmoor-NG has been put on moderation for ad hominem comments directed at a Trustee, which were considered contrary to the published guidelines.
     
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    Humm - the railway preservation problem seen many times during a long history of spats from people promoted way beyond their ability. Sadly it won't be the last time this sort of stuff occurs, and what is more supprising is those in such positions appear oblivious that their most important job is to keep all your supporters* informed whatever the problem is.

    Their usual response is to go all defensive and attack the person calling them a troublemaker or using the "we are all offended tack" and it would never occur to them that they themselves are the real problem. Good communications are essential to any organisation especially now in the connected world we now live in, ignore that at your peril.

    *and when I say supporters I don't just mean members, all supporters are potential members, investors or indeed passengers.
     
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    No it isnt. If we are talking about Directors, then their most important job is to protect the company. This can mean the exact opposite of keeping everyone informed and I have personal experience of a number of situations where things of interest to a wide group of supporters could not have been talked about, in one case for a period of over 5 years.

    It can be a fine judgement call though as to whether to be open or not, and people will not always make the right decision. Also timing and the desire for accuracy can delay a statement that then ends up being overtaken by the news leaking and makes it look like there was incompetence or worse. There is a modern day expectation of complete transparency that is very difficult to live up to, especially in a volunteer organisation. I dont know anything about this situation, but in general I would tend to give people the benefit of the doubt.
     
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    Is he? That's not how I read it at all...
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't a PR motive behind keeping this out of the public domain whilst the planning applications were under review
     
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    The bib above implies that Colin is some kind of leader and we should all wait on his verdict. He also suggests that we lay off speculation - why? Isn't that what discussion boards are for?
    This has also been an issue on the exmoor-ng group lately where Colin talked/implied that the Woody Bay platforms were to be extended (which annoyed some posters concerned about authenticity) and was then told by Keith Vingoe that no such plan existed.


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    I do see what you are getting at (I was a Company Secratary in the day job) however there are things that are commercially sensitive that you will try and keep under your hat so to speak, however this is not really in that category is it. If as an outsider you look at the problem with a loco, it's new, these things do happen and as a engineer I've got the T shirt thanks, what's to be gained by keeping your supporters in the dark, especially when sooner rather that later it will leak out in a volunteer organization? Your better off managing the flow of information which shows as a Director you are on top of the situation, the alternative makes you look as though you are either incompetent or you have something to hide, now I'm not saying this exactly we are dealing with here as I have no knowledge over the situation with Lyn I'm just stating that there are ways to avoid postings such as by Meatman if you go about it in the right way. To me a simple "we think there issues with the wheel profiles that have shown up during commissioning and it may require further work" (PS followed with updates when more is known) would have prevented much of the speculation and shows your in control and as an organization your dealing with a challenge to be overcome.
     
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    And indeed would perhaps persuade people to donate when the inevitable appeal for money to fix the problem is issued

    Keith
     
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    I don't really understand why it needs them in the first place. Don't both sets of driving wheels have tread brakes . They are usually more effective than anything at keeping wheels clean.

    Tim
     
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    If I was specifying a new build locomotive, it would be very easy to convince me that modern innovations which can increase power/efficiency or ease of operation or maintenance should be incorporated at the design stage. If we were building a powerful locomotive for a steeply graded line in a part of the country well known for its rainfall, a modern innovation that promised to improve adhesion would seem to be only good.
    Much of the modern innovation has so far had limited applications, and there is a limited body of evidence and results on which to base decisions. Any locomotive build today which deviates from the original drawings is a new prototype, and I've never heard of a prototype anything which behaved exactly as planned and did not require subsequent modification.
    My boss at Railtrack, in the midst of the chaos and blamestorming about GCC after Hatfield quietly pointed out that everyone is generally trying to do the best job they can.
     
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    that member must be me then,i wrote a reply to tony s stating that my comment was infact a summary of remarks i have heard others make yet it didnt appear on the site so i take it you decided not to allow its posting or you did so on instruction of keith v who is in an appointed position i believe,i was merely backing up my statment but to others ,now ,it will seem i have made a tough comment and disappeared
     
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    I am not a leader of this project, All I am is a very happy 762 member who has purchased a number of memberships and made a few donations as I sincerely believe in this project.

    All I am saying is lets wait and hear from those who has more information about this and lets not jump the gun by condemning it on here and getting the wrong impression of this advancement, It might be something very simple to fix. But until we have all the facts from either the Trust or the the 762 Group themselves and to what has gone on, lets not throw the baby out with the bath water. Can we all do that?
     

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