Discussion in 'Narrow Gauge Railways' started by Meiriongwril, Jan 25, 2009.
Well, the Tallylyn Railway never even intended to get to Lake Tallylyn....
The GWSR is unlikely ever to reach Warwickshire! In fact, they should rename the 'W' as Worcestershire, as they have at least crossed the border of that county!!
Ah I see now, thanks for the clarification. Would I be right in assuming the ideal place the L&B wants their terminus is the site of the old Pilton train sheds? I'm aware at the moment it's just a car park, and in time as the railway expands and develops, I'd imagine the authorities within Barnstaple could be persuaded to having a station built there.
Though I'd be curious to know in what form the station would take, would it just be like the rest or something unique and distinctive? Since the railway has always been known for being laid out like the full sized counterpart, how about a miniaturised terminus with a traditional curved station canopy. Ambitious I know, but it won't be for years anyway, so no harm in speculating...!
Once the Broadway extension is completed it will be five more miles of new track to Honeybourne and connection to the existing track to Long Marston, which is in Warwickshire. Easy !
Was going to say the old town hall may be going at some point, then I realised that the have built some new home on the trackbed between Pilton Yard and the council offices.
I would have thought that crossing the busy roads woul be more of a block to progress for the last section of original route ?
Quite. Before you get to the council offices or the homes built on the site of Barnstaple Town station. And, let's face it, the section along Rolles Quay won't be especially scenic to justify the disproportionate cost for 1/3 mile extra run.
Pilton yard (currently a car park ) is mentioned in the North Devon and Torridge local plan as the future site for the Barnstaple terminus:
10.62 The reinstatement of the former Lynton and Barnstaple railway line is proposed
along its former route. The car park to the east of Pilton Causeway is allocated for a new
railway station including a ticket office, locomotive store and ancillary buildings, as well as
for car parking to serve the station and the town centre. The reinstated railway line will be a
tourism and leisure attraction for the town as well as helping to deliver the transport strategy
(Policy ST10). Existing buildings and structures alongside the reinstated railway line, including
original station buildings and platforms where they still survive, should be reused to provide
new stations, platforms and buildings for the operation of the railway line where available,
feasible and viable.
The FR used to run lots and lots of trains and it ended stuck in a cycle of being in profit in the summer and then in the overdraft during the winter. The current management decided to run less trains and tailor them more closely to the expected loading. Rather than go for the "if you build it they will come" style used before. So far this has worked, the railways finances are much more stable and the railway on a whole is in a much better position.
There is of course a balance to be had. The Tallylyn got itself in real trouble by among other things, running far to many trains that were nearly empty. But like you say a service that is two infrequent can be equally off putting. It isn't an easy thing to predict and you'll notice the FR has timetabled more days with 2 or 3 sets in use over the last few years.
Slightly late reply, but James Evans has been trying to interest people in his proposals for new build steam for a while. I rather suspect it's more a matter of trying to convince people to fund his ideas by matching them to a perceived need rather than looking at a problem and finding a tailored solution. His Fairatt (or to give it its proper name, Kitson-Meyer) proposal for the WHR was an example of a such a solution looking for a problem that didn't (and still doesn't) exist, which is why the FRCo had no real interest in the scheme.
As much as I have said in the past that I would support such a new build, the trouble is that until the L&BR are running between Blackmoor and Lynton then To be honest I can't see happening, what I think may happen is that the L&BR Trust will be offered bigger locos which come from other collections in the UK.
Please don't think for a moment that I have anything to do with collection X (which I don't), but the truth is that once we have a longer run then I do know of at least one steam loco owner who has expressed an interested in basing his loco on the L&BR if they will have it.
But the truth is that we don't know what will happen this time next year so we can only guess at what might be.
The Fairatt is not a kitson meyer as the rear power bogie is not under a frame attached to the cab/boiler frame . I would say it is closer to the Union Garratt locomotives that SAR tried out in the 1920's, sans the front tank and the other way round, the garratt end being at the front on the SAR versions. Not sure it fits either category to be honest!
I'd agree that the railway seeking already existing bigger engines as the line grows, does seem like the more realistic future outcome. And I'd say it's a justifiable enough one too, as really there are few railway of the same gauge (besides FR/WHR) that can offer a good run for people's engines of a bigger size.
Though pray tell, while I know you wouldn't to mention the owner's name and other sensitive info, could you at least tell us what sort of loco this owner has? Say, for instance, does it have a tender?
Last time I dropped in for tea with the owner of Collection X he was riding round the paddock on Shergar, having lunched with Lord Lucan!
We are probably suffering from thread drift; to tack us deliciously back on course I must say I'm looking forward to seeing Lyn in steam. The recreation of this locomotive is a magnificent achievement.
Actually it is. On the 'Fairatt' the boiler/cab/bunker/water tanks are all carried on one set of frames, with two power bogies beneath.
Apologies it is a kitson meyer, at least in that picture. I was basing my statement on the rather nice 16mm scale model that has the same name, and a similar appearance but definitely looks like a garratt at the back. I had assumed this was a model of the proposed full size one.
There were some handsome and useful Kitson Meyers (e.g. on the Antofagasta Bolivia). This, however, does not appear to be one. The L&B had some of the most handsome narrow gauge motive power ever - why introduce a brutish experiment.
Swerving back onto Lyn - will be wonderful to see it completed. A magnificent accomplishment and a fine, powerful and useful loco.
"Yeo next?" - Yes, that's the plan, then the rest of the fleet...
Interesting question would arise if, when the railway is longer, Mr Evans decides to relocate Lyd permanently to the L&B. Would the L&B still want to build a replica Lew? Or would Lyd be okay for that role... ?
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