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Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Sidmouth, Jan 27, 2014.

  1. 61624

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    We've already got a J27 based on the line, but it isn't strong enough for day to day services. Personally, I'd love to see any or all three of the others, who knows what may happen down the line, but there are complaints about how long it is taking to overhaul 3672, and there is a long queue of others waiting - 80135, 30925, Lambton No. 5, 30825 etc. and only a few volunteers to help with the work, so I can't see it happening any time soon.
     
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    An A8 would be a good one. A bonus for the 'get Green Arrow back in service' brigade is that the A8s were 3 cylinder machines with a monobloc cylinder casting ;)

    We already have a J27 extant though - wouldn't a J25 be a better option? They, like the J27s, were long lived & were unfitted freight engines. They also operated in the area.
     
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    As I said, I'd love to see any of the suggested engines on the NYMR, although the V3s and L1s only ran on the Esk Valley line. I think these would be the only two types likely to be of practical use on the modern NYMR, as loads are heavier today, and why build something likely to be of limited use?
     
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    Just looking back at the discussion around page 15 of the NYMR "general discussion" thread, the thought was that the ideal loco for NYMR services is actually a Standard 2-6-4 tank, followed by the class 4 and 5 4-6-0's, but with an honourable mention for the 76xxx as having a better adhesion factor than the 4-6-0's, despite a smaller boiler.

    However far be it for us to suggest how the vendor of the 9F spends his money, if indeed his intention is to purchase another engine, but in practice it depends what is available on the market, and whether he wants a relatively "ready to run" loco, or a restoration project. I can think of at least one standard 2-6-4t standing in need of overhaul, but whether it/they are available for the right money is another matter.

    As others have discussed, the answer to the general question is often a "Black 5", and was there some talk of one still being "on the market" somewhere?

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    The asking price for the "for sale" main line registered Black 5 is reputed to be £850,000, which is getting on for double what the 9F is guessed (by Steam Railway I believe, I haven't see the article yet) to have changed hands for. When Stuart Whitter bought the 9F he is reported to have said that he put more or less everything he had into it. On that basis it would seem that unless the Black 5 has come down in price we will not be seeing it at Grosmont any time soon. Of course, his experience with the 9F may have cured him of the desire to own his own loco!
     
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    £850,000, really? I would think even Jeremy Hosking would think twice about that one.

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    It does too me too, but I'm only reporting what I've been told. Again, it's only hearsay but 44806 is reputed to have sold for 350-400K and is 6 years into its ticket; add the cost of an overhaul onto that and 850K for a loco overhauled a year or so ago doesn't look so unreasonable. But - a loco is only worth what somebody is prepared to pay for it, and the fact that said Black 5 has been on the market for quite a while suggests that the asking price is too high or the owner isn't that serious about selling it.
     
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    Is anyone going to spill which one it is ?, think I've narrowed it down to a field of two possibles.
     
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    The only one I know of that is allegedly for sale is 45231 and that was reported in the railway press before its recent overhaul took place. What other one might be available?
     
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    I was thinking 45305 hasn't done much for a while, group fully occupied with 70013 and 777 ?.
     
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    Better cross 45305 off your list,owned by the Draper Family on long term loan to Tom Tighe and co.at Humberside Loco Group.

    So do your homework before speculating !!
     
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    I believe the asking price for the 9F was circa £600k. Whether that much was paid for it is between the vendor and the purchaser.
     
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    Funnily enough I have better things to do than spend every minute of my spare time trawling through such barely interesting and largely unknown facts, unlike some it seems...

    I don't mind being corrected, but comments like that will get a similar reply.

    Must be 4523 1then.
     
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    Wasn't 76079 about £600k..?

    and theres an out of ticket prairie for £250k, wasn't a non working Pannier offered for £350k and a GWR 2-8-0 in ticket offered for £300k..

    so £850k for an inticket mainline class 5 is actually a good deal.
     
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    Theres no chance the NYMR has the time or funds to do its own new build. If i win the Euros I might have a go. Based on designs already made, id suggest the perfect engine would be a Raven B16.
     
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    A B16 might dangle a bit on the train set curves between Ruswarp and Whitby. There's an awful lot of engine forward of the coupled wheels.

    Were money no object, I'd build a brace of V4s and name them 'Moorcock' and 'Moorhen.' :)
     
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    Just returning to the "9F" theme, the latest "Steam Railway" mentions that at Crewe there are two 9F's under overhaul, one I think was 92134 ? and David Shepherd's 92203. It quotes DS as saying he has had "some" interest in 92203, but is in no rush to sell, the inference being that he would like to see it do at least a season in East Anglia before such a sale. The article said the overhaul was three-quarters or thereabouts done.
    Whilst I didn't take a note of exact numbers, the article did say that there are several more Standard locos or at least Standard "parts" ie boilers, under overhaul at Crewe.

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    80136 is still there undergoing overhaul as is 73082's boiler. Not forgetting 71000 is also still there I believe. Not sure what else though.
     
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    The other two Standard loco boilers at LNWR Crewe are from 4 4-6-0s 75014 and 75078. Both are undergoing extensive overhauls.
     

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