42424 - New Build Fowler Tank

Unfortunately, no. The cab sidesheets extend into the tanks, which adds problems, while the cab roof andbunker are also different shapes. Nice idea, but not the answer, I'm afraid.

 

Well you could build 4 fowler tank engines for the cost of the P2... or 2 versions of the Fowler tank and a Stanier 2-6-4 for the same price!

 

Don't suppose you could put the two pics on here, could you? Just so we can see for ourselves the difference.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=f...don-midland-region-1950s-80s%2Fpage-6;800;447

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=f...eam%2Fgetsteamclass.php%3Fitem%3D4P-D;636;228

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=f...don-midland-region-1950s-80s%2Fpage-6;800;521

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=f...8%40N08%2Fsets%2F72157617509077721%2F;500;355

 

These are the same 4 images from the above links.

Obviously its very easy to see the difference in the pictures. I happen to agree with you, and think that the old versions do look better to the eye. So if you feel strongly how about joining the team building it. They will be the ones doing the proposal to the members in the future. As said we are looking for people to do the research on the build of this loco. A proposal has been made but nothing is set in stone at this point. And remember that this wont be some "pipe dream" by some people on facebook. This is a project that i hope seeing progress on 45551 you will agree will get built.

Gav.

 

Well, I know which one I'd rather be on in driving sleet, banking on Shap !!!

 

Summer or winter...?

 

Sleet not at all unusual in Summer up there......

 

I'd agree that the older form looks nicer, plus it makes it that bit more distinctive in comparison to it's Stanier and Ivatt successors.

Just out of curiosity, what cab type did 42424 have?

In fact just as an additional enquiry, why choose this particular member of this class to build a replica of? PR wise I'll concede the number is catchy.

 

One thought that occurs to me potential liveries (and the way going for the later design might restrict them). Presumably the examples produced under Stainer emerged in lined black - but if the project went for the early version then lined maroon is a possibility - the crabs in the NRM and on the ELR looks fantastic in that early style.

 

45551 was chosen for the patriot because we were unable to use the next number as it was already taken by the first of the Jubilees. We chose to use the last number of the class to represent the newbuild of the whole class. With the Fowler 2-6-4 t the same applys. 42424 was the last member of the class and 42425 was the first of the Stanier 2-6-4t. And it does have a very catchy number like you said. So it keeps with the tradition that we have started also. But that is the idea from a couple of the people who are currently building 45551, one being myself. And only at the current ideas stage. We are always interested to hear others opinions and for people to get involved.

 

Limousine cab, as per 42417 above.
Andy

 

Considering the Trust's policy with the Patriot being able to carry all the liveries the class previously carried, my assumption would be that this is the same intention with the 4P. In which case since 42424 is the later cab design, and therefore is a little more limited in what liveries it could carry, perhaps this factor could be taken under consideration before making the final decision.

That being said, since the Trust does tend to make it's big decisions democratically with a vote (as they will with what livery it carries first), this would appear to be a perfect issue to discuss, debate and vote on, certainly so as to ensure the Trustees are united going forward with this new future project.

 

The Hornby model certainly looks nice in crimson.

 

That it does, snapped up one myself as soon as I came across it.

Got a Hornby Stanier tank too, in LMS lined black, lovely.

 

Can't believe there a whispers about the 'L' word already!

 

I'm waiting for the press release with a photo of paint tins. Until then, I don't believe this project has really got started.

 

It has officially been decided that the loco will be painted with Williamsons paints.....

 

Is that the right shade of BR black?

 

But tha greens the wrong shade!