If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

34067. 'Capital Christmas Express'. 17-11-2012

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by free2grice, Nov 11, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Spamcan81

    Spamcan81 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2007
    Messages:
    32,494
    Likes Received:
    16,718
    Occupation:
    Training moles
    Location:
    The back of beyond
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Since the cause of the stall has yet to be made public, there's only supposition at the moment. Maybe it was due to leaves, maybe it was due to Tangmere but maybe it was neither of these. Until then you can rant as much as you like. I will agree though that if rail head conditions were poor then some insurance on the back end would have been in order.
     
  2. royce6229

    royce6229 New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2006
    Messages:
    1,083
    Likes Received:
    40
    Location:
    New Forest
    What is the load?
     
  3. mrKnowwun

    mrKnowwun Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2011
    Messages:
    4,224
    Likes Received:
    2,549
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    West Byfleet
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    blimey, conspiracy theories now.
     
  4. johnnew

    johnnew New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2007
    Messages:
    650
    Likes Received:
    123
    Occupation:
    PRO The Stephenson Locomotive Soc.
    Location:
    Dorset, UK
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Also don't forget how many times tangmere has taken the Dorset Coast Express up there in recent years. Something out of the ordinary is likely which could be anything from faulty dragging brakes through leaves on the line to vandalism. Leaves an obvious first thought I agree BUT I'm happy to await some authoritative statement.
     
  5. mrKnowwun

    mrKnowwun Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2011
    Messages:
    4,224
    Likes Received:
    2,549
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    West Byfleet
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Not a rant, merely pointing out that a: Tangmere has previous, Its autumn, it was wet, it was a hill, and a nutter pouring oil on the track was probably outside the risk profile.

    Now given that scenario ( we know that was the scenario ) you are the trip planner. What would YOU have done?
     
  6. spicer21

    spicer21 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2012
    Messages:
    1,894
    Likes Received:
    354
    Problems directly related to Tangmere herself may not have been the reason for the stall. In fact they almost certainly weren't as look how well she performed on the Devon banks during September. It's not the first time she's fallen foul of poor rail head conditions however, so not unreasonable to have added that into the risk profile when planning this tour I would have thought, and kept the diesel attached for the climb of Parkstone. Last year's tour to Bristol on 24 Novemeber, also hauled by 34067, and which started at Poole, (today's train was booked to pick up there), did have a 47 attached at the rear, so why not this year ?

    Not very consistent, especially, as has been pointed out elsewhere, that last Sunday's train in Kent had a diesel attached throughout. Events like these confuse the non-enthusiast type of passenger, and can't help the cause of main line steam one bit !
     
  7. Spamcan81

    Spamcan81 Nat Pres stalwart

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2007
    Messages:
    32,494
    Likes Received:
    16,718
    Occupation:
    Training moles
    Location:
    The back of beyond
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Read my earlier reply again and you will see what I suggested should have been done.
     
  8. mrKnowwun

    mrKnowwun Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2011
    Messages:
    4,224
    Likes Received:
    2,549
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    West Byfleet
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Exactly, so hardly qualifies as a rant now does it, specially as we are in agreement.
     
  9. 6136

    6136 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Messages:
    366
    Likes Received:
    40
    Anyone know anything about return times?
     
  10. A1X

    A1X Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2011
    Messages:
    948
    Likes Received:
    635
    Occupation:
    Generic IT bod
    Location:
    Chuck Norris' beard
    Just a point on people rounding on Tangmere, I'm not aware that Bulleids ever struggled particularly with Parkstone bank during most weather conditions back in the days of steam. Although that was probably more to do with the fact that that stretch of line, like so many others, wasn't an overgrown jungle back in those days which drop half a tonne of leaves onto the line every autumn. Maybe the fault lies not with the loco or the crew but the penny-pinchers who decided not to bother keeping our linesides under control for the past 50 years? It affects modern traction too, why else do they need to send out all these sandite and RHTT trains?

    As for SWT pinning the blame on Tangmere, maybe trying to avoid their staff getting so much grief (I'm willing to bet Joe Public will be more tolerant of a steam train) and, of course, making sure they don't get any of the fine for the delay minutes pinned on them...

    Anyway, enough of this seriousness. Here are some photos - Steam tours in 2012 - Railway Galleries
     
  11. steamvideosnet

    steamvideosnet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2011
    Messages:
    1,928
    Likes Received:
    2,313
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Southampton, UK
    Away from Paddington 18:34.

    Ta TS

    James at SVN
     
  12. 6026 King John

    6026 King John Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2006
    Messages:
    1,300
    Likes Received:
    485
    Location:
    Hampton Court, Surrey
    With what hauling it? Tangmere or diesel?
     
  13. steamvideosnet

    steamvideosnet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2011
    Messages:
    1,928
    Likes Received:
    2,313
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Southampton, UK
    Not 100% at the minute, will edit the post if I find out what is hauling it.

    James at SVN
     
  14. Phil K

    Phil K New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2005
    Messages:
    582
    Likes Received:
    46
    Location:
    Ewell, Surrey
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Tangmere is on the Front. Diesel on rear
     
  15. steamvideosnet

    steamvideosnet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2011
    Messages:
    1,928
    Likes Received:
    2,313
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Southampton, UK
    Question answered! Thanks for posting.

    James at SVN
     
  16. spicer21

    spicer21 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2012
    Messages:
    1,894
    Likes Received:
    354
    Out of interest, the tweet highlighted by "Swanny" that mentioned "delays caused by a STEAM train" appears to have been removed from SWT's timeline, (I can only see the earlier ones that merely referred to a "broken down train", so maybe someone thought better of it after reading this ?
     
  17. green five

    green five Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2006
    Messages:
    6,145
    Likes Received:
    1,693
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hampshire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Looking at the other ML trip today with 6201, she suffered the same problem near Whalley Viaduct on the S & C. Clearly the conditions were poor all round today.
     
  18. steamvideosnet

    steamvideosnet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2011
    Messages:
    1,928
    Likes Received:
    2,313
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Southampton, UK
    Thundered through Shawford at 75(?) 20:16, bang on time!

    Nearly knocked my tripod over!

    James at SVN
     
  19. swanny

    swanny New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2005
    Messages:
    337
    Likes Received:
    153
    Location:
    NE Hants
    Nope, wasn't a 'tweet'. From SW Trains Live train information-line updates, sorry, should have been more specific.
     
  20. green five

    green five Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2006
    Messages:
    6,145
    Likes Received:
    1,693
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Hampshire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page