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10 most important / noteworthy UK steam designs .your views and why

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by sir gilbert claughton, Jan 24, 2018.

  1. toplight

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    I would say not true. Robert Riddles designed the wide firebox 2-10-0 (and 2-8-0) austerity locos during WW2. The 2-8-0 version must have been effectively a cheaply constructed LMS 8F and Riddles was an LMS man.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD_Austerity_2-10-0

    then later in the 1950s he designed the 9Fs, so as it is the same man that designed both, it is likely the earlier design influenced the later one, although the 9Fs didn't need to be built as cheaply. I believe the 9F was intended at first to be a 2-8-2 but then later they decided on 2-10-0 at the design stage.
     
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    More seriously...

    57xx
    Star
    28xx
    Black 5
    8F
    A3
    Fairburn tank
    GV (LNWR not 6000)
    Britannias
    Lord Nelson
     
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    see my more serious answer
     
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    Not much point having a Star and a King on the list, especially with no Saint/Hall
     
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    LB&SCR I3 class 4-4-2 tank locos. The combination of superheater, piston valves and for its time, decent valve events, showed the way forward.
     
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    well there wouldn't be, so I haven't - I've edited to make it clear(er) I meant the LNWR George Vths...

    I'll also give up trying to be funny henceforth - I thought choosing 10 Thompson classes would be immediately taken as a joke on here and was writing my actual list while you reacted to that one.

    Possibly the niche for humour is even narrower than I thought it was.
     
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    Just seems a bit mean to single one designer out for abuse for the intention of getting a rise out of me, but ok. :oops:

    I think it’s an interesting topic for debate and it could go almost everywhere. Rocket has to be on the list, but equally so should “Catch me who can” and anything Trevithick built.

    Putting aside my LNER bias I think the GWR Saint should be close to the top of the list - together with the German 2-10-0 classes, Wardales Red Devil and a generic 0-6-0 tender engine, the most numerous of steam loco wheel arrangements throughout the world.
     
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    Right, well this is obviously my cue to call it a day on the forum - misjudged humour aside the underlined above, if it's happening at all in my post, is happening in your head.

    FWIW (probably precisely nothing), I've been quietly agreeing with you throughout the interminable Thompson thread of the past couple of years. Just thought that given I could think of 10 classes off the top of my head it might be worth seeing if anyone smiles wryly.

    I apologise unreservedly for not realising I'd be in a minority of 1 in finding that amusing. Given the choice facing me appears to be having a sober opinion about rivets or shutting up, perhaps that's me done.
     
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    ... and credited to a CME who had precious little to do with inclusion of said features!
     
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    Obviously not steam, but historically in terms of proving the feasibility of railways, the horse should be on the list.
     
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    Off the top of my head I'd go for the 57xx pannier, the black 5 and stanier 8f and LNER B1 I also think GW 43xx and the Woolwich 'U's are worth a shout the first 4 on my list simply because there must be something decent about them otherwise why build so many? The 43xx was among the 1st for an attempt at standardisation and the U class was an attempt at standardisation and they worked (with a bit of re gauging) both sides of the Irish Sea. That's my 2 pence worth anyhow. Although personally I think the best (and most useful) loco's this country has produced only had a boiler for steam heat... Not that I'm biased towards class 37's at all! :p
     
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    Whilst the initial intent had been that the 9F was to be a 2-8-2 design to follow through with the adhesion results from the LNER P1 and P2 designs, Riddles had become interested in the 2-10-0 design following his experience of them during his war service in mainland Europe where German 2-10-0 classes were the mainstay of wartime services. He therefore redesigned the heavy freight locomotive as a 2-10-0 with the results that gave them their reputation.
     
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    Cycloped?
     
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    The two that would have to be in my top 10 would be the Matthew Murray designed "Salamanca", the first commercially sucessful locomotive in the world and the Maunsell N, the first loco in this country with long travel valves, high degree superheat, outside Walshaerts valve gear, a Belpaire firebox and a taper boiler.
     
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    Trevethick's locomotive
    Stephenson's Rocket
    Stephenson's Planet
    Kirtley 0-6-0
    Drummond's 'Abbotsford'
    Ivatt large boiler C1
    Churchward No 28
    Churchward No 27
    Gresley 'Great Northern'
    Stanier Coronation

    With due apologies for the Stephenson and Churchward pairs (at least I refrained from adding the latter's No 40 too!).
     
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    The Maunsell N class especially was a trend setter, for the very reasons set out by the above post and would go on to be developed in turn into the verious other types, but also the same basic design but in 4-6-0 form would be in turn be used by stainer in his designs
     
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    Looking at my own list and what's preserved or exists as a replica; there are replicas of the first 3, we don't have a Kirtley 0-6-0 but we do have 2-4-0 no 158A. No NBR 4-4-0, the LSWR T9 is a much later and larger example of that family. We do have a C1, Lady of Legend is nearing completion, there are a number of 2800 class preserved, 4472 was originally an A1 and of course several Princess Coronations are still with us.
     
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    we need "disagree", "funny" and "you cant be serious "buttons on this forum
     
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    Depends on whose C1. We've an LNER one and a NER one, but the LNWR & LBSCR ones are long gone, as is the GS&WR atlantic tank (a wonderfully idiosyncratic Coey design of 1900 sharing a broadly similar "house style" to Ivatt's equally extinct classes F6 and C7).
     
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    Well the humble 0-4-0 saddle tank is my contribution
    Seen everywhere in all gauges for freight and passengers loggers and flyers (for the time)
    Just did what they did and did it for sometimes almost a hundred years
    No fuss no fanfares just worked. All you needed in one neat package

    The melter
     
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