70012 SCRAPPED ON ARRIVAL err.. rumour has it!

So road hauliers DONT pay road tax, and road hauliers DONT pay massive fuel duty, and that blithering idiot Wilson DID stop 1000's of miles of railways closing then? And did Labour shun awarding new train contracts to Foreign companies and help the uks now virtualy non exisitant train building companies?

 

ROTFLMAO!

 

Coboman,

The issue is that the road haulers don't pay enough to meet the cost of the roads and their environmental impact - pollution, congestion, noise, CO2, deaths and injuries - which the Treasury calls "externalities". Failure to pay for these externalities is a form of hidden subsidy. If the hauliers did pay, and there were a level playing field with other modes - air transport is a particular recipient of these hidden subsidies - then the economics of moving goods by rail would further improve. This wouldn't take us back to the early 1950s, but it would mean many fewer containers on the A14 from Felixstowe et al.

Tobbes

 

The best part of 50 BILLION pounds in tax revenue just from fuel and road tax. If you think the government isn't using that to subsides its many other expenses, then your sadly mistaken. If you fancy paying 20 or 30p a mile on top of what you already pay to get about and like paying £5 for a loaf of bread etc, then go ahead, lobby for more transport tax. I'm sure it will do wonders to our already teetering economy.

 

I would doubt if it would be possible to run the 1950s volume of freight on the railway now. There are just too many passenger trains! Seriously though, much of the railway network is full and even bringing back into service the main and secondary lines that were closed wouldn't make too greater difference. We're stuck with heavy lorries.

The line from East Anglia to the Midlands is being brought back into service to help the A14 problem.

Regards

 

Where is your figure for £50 billion from?

The 2010 Budget Report forecasts £27.5 billion Fuel Duty (which includes duty on non-road fuels) and £6 billion vehicle excise duty for 2010-11. Allowing for those non-road duties, that is about half your figure.

Steven

 

Department of transport figures. There was 47 million tonnes of oil consumed by road transport in the UK last year. The tax on that is 81p a litre. That works out at just over 50 billion pounds. Take some off because of business claiming back the VAT and some is lubrication oil and you end up somewhere in the region of more than 40 billion. Hense the best part of 50 billion (just to help, best part means the larger portion, ie greater than 25 billion) Never ever believe Budget report figures. Most are just pulled out of the air.

 

Oh dear! "Best part" usually means "most of" - although muliplying 47 million by 81p and gets more than 47 million pounds is even more problematic! May I also point out that, as far as I am aware, 1,000 litres of road fuel doesn't weigh exactly a toone, so how does 47 million tonnes at 81p per litre end up in billions of £ of duty anyway.

I suspect I could guess pretty which newspaper you get this stuff from - oddly, such titles don't seem to have carried exclusives that the Budget Report figures are made up! Presumably, the fictious figures include the table that says Fuel duty on Unleaded or Heavy Fuel oil is 0.5895 p per litre from 1st January 2011. Or is that merely "the best part of" 81p? I suspect the figure of 81p is the Duty plus VAT, which is indeed what the public may pay but I would be very surprised if more than a handful of hauliers are not VAT registered - quite apart from being able to reclaim the VAT on their fuel, wagons cost quite a bit and have VAT on them as well. And the £27 billion includes duty on non-road fuel, which has actually gone up by more pence per litre in recent years 9and indeed the net selling price of Red Diesel has risen from about 40/litre three years ago to 65p plus now).

Steven

 

I hate be to Mr. Picky but what does this have to do with 70012?

 

Back on topic some more detailed pictures

http://railwayeye.blogspot.com/2011/01/more-piccies-of-celebrity-loco-70012.html

 

I wonder if they can drop it on the edge of something and take the bend out? :lol:

 

my Bad, I missread the number of naughts, its 470million, not 47.

 

Another Class 70?

 

Post of the week! LOL